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[ SECRET POST #4894 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4894 ⌋

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[What We Do in the Shadows]

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[sarazanmai]

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[image is a Dark-Eyed Junco (bird species)]

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[star wars]

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[Hairspray Live!]

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[homestuck 2]

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[ff7]

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[Doctor Dolittle]

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[great british sewing bee]

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["La Lisiada" scene from Maria la del Barrio]

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[Sailor Moon]

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I only like Reylo if it's disturbing and dark and closer to canon, as opposed to saccharine Hallmark Channel type stuff (there's nothing wrong with either), but you're right as rain about the antis.

You mean the canon that's dark and edgy up to the last 20 minutes where it turns Hallmark?

DA - You haven't seen much Hallmark, huh?

Canon wasn't really all that dark and disturbing to begin with and Lucasfilm has undermined a lot of the stuff that was.

I like the sweet stuff, but a lot of the fanwork is so boring! At least the dark stuff is more creative.

Same OP. I neither ship nor anti-ship reylo, though the antis are so prevalent and abusive and terrible that I'm more on the shipper's side than the antis'.

And at the end of day, as you said, it's just Star Wars ffs

There are versions of Reylo I like, but it isn't my favorite ship. But the anti-Reylos make me get really defensive of the ship just because of how awful and nasty they get.

lol ikr? the wildest thing about the whole reylo thing is people blame the fandom for it being in the movie, like the director had no say in that choice.
lol damn I wish that all the Spock x Kirk fanfiction could have swayed all the star trek movies ever after to have more explicit spirk scenes lol.

unfortunately, this film seems to have been largely stitched together by disney corporate after they conducted some consumer surveys rather than the director, or anyone who cared about star wars or making good movies, so it sadly might not be as far from the truth as you think

I'm not pro or anti this ship, ultimately I don't care as it does nothing for me. I agree the conversation can be annoying from both sides.

But the thing that confused me was the question of "canon" because if that was the way one of my fave ships was made apparently canon, I'd be pissed off. But maybe that's because I'm bored of redemption = death personally. And tbh there wasn't much in the way of a spark there for me, it came across more as comforting a dying man.

you how some characters are written in a way that you just know the fandom will react and they react that way? that's kylo. i'm sure there's ridiculous anti bs, because this is an extremely easy ship to be ~right~ about.

As a person who does ship it, the craziness of the antis has only made me ship it harder.

Same. There are silly detractors out there.

I hate Reylo so I just don’t follow any hardcore Reylo shippers who post about it a lot. Problem solved. I will say I hate Kylo Ren here on FS when the topic comes up, but that’s as far as I go. I find the “omg Ben Swolo did nothing wrong so hot adorable space Mr. Darcy” crowd annoying as fuck when I’m reminded they exist, so I try to pretend they don’t.

I still haven't watched the third film but I used to kind of like Reylo. But I don't understand how people can say he did nothing wrong. I think they want their favorite ship to be "unproblematic" but the guy's a Star Wars villain.

The antis got ridiculously nasty over it but I didn't really have to deal much with antis. (I knew people who didn't like it, sure, but not people who made a moral crusade out of it.)

But Reylo fans have made me some pretty awesome art imo.

AYRT—a lot of the fans excusing him really seemed to identify with the whole “let the past die, kill it, if you have to” thing, and assumed that Han’s leaving and Leia’s focus on statecraft were abusive somehow. His killing his “abusive” dad was cathartic for them because cutting ties with abusive family irl is demonized because “they’re family, you have to forgive them!” Or something. I had fandoms in common with a lot of Reylo fans whose blogs I eventually stopped following, but before that I tried to read some of the non-thirst reasons they rooted for him.

I didn’t even like Han that much but I felt like a lot of Kylo fans were seeing him as a proxy for their actual abusive parents who offered to welcome them back into their families if they gave up their justified anger at years of abuse. Idk. I get that allowing yourself to be angry at and not forgive abusive family can be freeing for a lot of people, but my family contained an actual incestuous pedophile rapist so people projecting that kind of anger on Han Solo for maybe being a deadbeat dad seemed like literal overkill.

Destructive anger and the freedom to lash out and be selfish aren’t fantasies or aspirations of mine, I guess? Being passionate about stuff is cool but I look at someone like Kylo Ren and see the fictional counterpart of a school shooter angry that his home life sucks and mad that he’s expected to control his anger. Nothing about that is sexy.

I am flailing at how much I agree with all of this.

I love this comment so much, it's so well articulated and, imo, accurate.

DA

But I don't understand how people can say he did nothing wrong.

It's a meme. We don't actually think he's completely blameless, but we're tired of justifying our interest in his character.

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I don't get the "he did nothing wrong" camp either. I also didn't get the "he's the worst villain ever, he's worse than Vader and irredeemable for killing Han no matter who else killed more people how dare you suggest he could possibly be redeemed" camp either back pre-TROS given how common redemption stories are in Star Wars. I didn't love how his redemption was done, but I do like redemption stories and was game for him being redeemed if done right.

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Yeah, there's like so much stuff out there. Why waste time hating on something that doesn't work for you?

AYRT—I won’t lie, I tried to understand the appeal, since I shared fandoms in common with a lot of Reylo fans, but the more they explained, the less I agreed with them and the more annoyed I got. I don’t even like Darcy, but he’s no Mr. Darcy.

Yeah, the shippers do ridiculous shipper things and get overly defensive.

But the fairly vicious BS of the antis is just way OTT. Just let them do their art in peace, all your crusades against the ship accomplish is making the shippers double down and go even harder for it.

Yeah I've been a shipper since TFA, but the baffling amount of "one way" or the other arguments made for or against this ship have kind of astounded me. Although, ship wars are pretty common in every fandom, it's still odd to me how much time some people devote to hating one ship or trying to label it as horrible and "problematic". I'm just used to crack shipping, so I didn't feel an urge to push it on to people, or explain why it has to be canon, or why it has to be a certain way. I just make my art in peace.

Basically it's internet slacktivists trying to put a woke political spin on their OTT hatred for what's a really a totally standard enemies-to-lovers ship.

It's so clear that the politics are just pasted onto plain old-fashioned ship hate, which is why anti-Reylos are so much more annoying than people who just don't like a ship and so avoid it.

And I don't even ship it. I don't find either of the characters that compelling. But WOW am I put off by people who think hating Reylo is a personality - or a meaningful political stance.

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