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⌈ Secret Post #5307 ⌋

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"No intervention of modern politics"

OH. You're one of those people who thinks wokeness and PCness and everything else we're talking about and dealing with now is a new thing and never something people had to address before the 1990s.

I get why you would go with that conclusion, but if I remember the "secrets you don't want to make" thread correctly, OP clarified that what they didn't want was modern politics forced onto historical settings. After all, "as accurately as feasibly possible" should definitely include historically accurate social/political issues of the day.

Edited (Clarity) 2021-07-17 19:11 (UTC)

OP Yep pretty much this. I would prefer non-European settings, so, you know, non-white civilisations. And it seems extremely shitty to force modern politics on any representation of any ancient civilisation because, well, it wouldn't be the truth of them. Give me tension between rival tribes, or people having to deal with Genghis Khan turning up on their doorstep. Or basically any political, social and cultural frame that isn't modern day forced on older eras.

nayrt - And this is entirely fair and reasonable. It's a shame there are people who enjoy jumping to nasty conclusions based on the sparsest "evidence".

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Have you seen "Rome", the HBO series? It was really good at showing people having moral and ethical dilemmas according to the morals and ethics of the time, not what modern viewers would think. Sometimes it was really shocking.

There was a secret a while back about people here tending to use the worst interpretation of the secret in a bad faith way...sounds like this is exactly what that OP meant.

AYRT is definitely jumping to conclusions but OP's wording of the secret is definitely also suspect

/shrug If you say so.

Nonsense to that second comment. It's perfectly clear. History is not a blank canvas on which to draw one's own issues, of any kind. It has its own story to tell.

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I don't think it's "suspect". It's open to interpretation, maybe. But "modern politics" doesn't necessarily set off alarm bells unless you're a touch paranoid about wokeness in the first place. And OP's explanation is perfectly reasonable, and the anon who accused them of unpleasantness should come back and apologize for their insulting (and frankly, rather hasty) assumption but they probably won't.

Not OP, but...

"OH. You're one of those people"

I stopped reading after this.

Why on earth would you think so? If you seriously think present day concerns can be shoehorned into historical situations continents away and several thousand years ago, you're barking.
Your comment just seems like a knee-jerk *have a go* for no real reason other than you are salty.
Give it a rest.

Modern day concerns and politics can absolutely have parallels to the issues of ancient historical settings, and it could be interesting to explore. So I disagree there that it can't be done.

But I completely agree with everything else, because just because it could be done doesn't mean it has to be done. There's nothing wrong with just wanting to see the ancient political intrigue be completely divorced from modern politics. And I already know that's all OP wants, and they've been incredibly reasonable and well-spoken about it. So AYRT is definitely just being a hasty ass in assuming the absolute worst faith reading of this secret.

OH. You are one of those people who jump to conclusions based on nothing at all.

On one hand, I agree that the wording is kinda sus. On the other hand, there's a good faith reading, and I agree that there are some historical series that engage with modern politica over actual history. On the other other hand (I need more hands lmao) I would say that I find stories that show both accurate history and how that has parallels in modern problems to be the most compelling. It's an interesting tightrope to walk tbh.

I'd be totally on board with more costume dramas in general and I'd love it if the people who made them used a wider range of historical settings and time periods.

I want more ancient costume dramas that aren't just set in Rome or Greece. There are plenty of those, but there is so much more ancient world that could be explored in tv or film.

So so much more. In particular the anything from either the Middle East or Africa would be amazing.

Yes!

for real, I'm with OP all the way. More Babylonia! More Mespotamia in general! Africa! Pre-Sengoku Japan! Pre-Han China! (only because China itself is pretty good at producing a thousand variations on Han-era drama e.g. Romance of the Three Kingdoms) What about India? Persia? The politics of the Mayans? The list goes on...

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If you're up to subtitles, have a browse through the Non-English section of Netflix (if you happen to have Netflix or similar).

There are a lot of people producing content, including historicals, from a large number of countries.

I think we talked about this in the OG comment thread, but the biggest obstacle to what you want is simply that western producers believe that history that west isn't familiar with must be, for want of a better term, time-localized. Rome (and Spartacus) on HBO had a) HBO going for it which at the time thrived on artistic dissonance with both other cable shows and network shows and b) Rome and Greece had already been shown in so much other media that frankly something historically "accurate" would be a change of pace, lmao.

My personal hesitance is that the study of history inherently works in conjunction with modernity, in that "accuracy" w/r/t history usually means choosing which lens of modernity you think is comports with whatever historical evidence we have, rather than cutting it out all together. Thus the historical consultants (who as I said the producers will probably not listen to when it conflicts with modern economic considerations) cannot resist modern intervention, just decide the time period of modernity the intervention occurred.

But honestly, I agree with the thrust of this secret and good luck to you and me.

I would love to see a series on the great empires in Africa (i.e. Axum, Ghana, before/during the time Islam was introduced to the regions, before Europeans came into the region -- to that end, the Asante land and the time before the kingdom -- especially because this is not history that I have learned in school, as a Western educated individual. We learn about maybe the Songhai/Mali empires, for a second, and then that's about it. The richness and the gold and its presence in the Silk Road).

Agreeing with wanting to see the kingdom of Ur ! It would be interesting also to see the history of a place like Indonesia, in its early days. There was a lot of trade connecting people, forming and changing cultures. Hell, let's see something like this for South East Asian countries! This world is so rich and full of stories!

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