[ SECRET POST #5392 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5392 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

04. https://i.imgur.com/2KA5blh.png

[(Anonymous)]

Same. If I think too much about the fallout from his actions and decisions and how we're for some reason supposed to be okay with it because it's Tony, I want to scream. Good riddance.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. Tony was an asshole, and it took having to die to learn what balance was in his life. A rather terminal lesson.

His position after Civil War was one of all checks and no balances too, and that is not good at all. I'm glad he is gone, and I'll be glad when his constant stream of fuck ups stop being the motivator behind pretty much every threat and negative situation faced on MarvelEarth.

[(Anonymous)]

disagree

[(Anonymous)]

dedisagree

[(Anonymous)]

+1 Love this guy. Fave in 2008, fave in 2021.

I do wish they'd left it with him not saying anything before the snap, though. Apparently the "I am ironman" line was added last minute, and personally I would've much preferred they cut it. That could be a secret in and of itself, honestly, considering I know most people either don't agree, or they do agree but only because they hate Tony and would like to have cut all his lines, lol.

[(Anonymous)]

You feel how you feel, no right or wrong way to do it. But I couldn't disagree more with you or the people that share your point of view.

How was he hypocrital? He learned from his mistakes as shown by him accepting the possibilities of having some of his actions legally regulated by the UN. Because he was thinking of others. Nothing hypocrital about it. That's call change.

And his whole schtick since Iron Man 1 has been to own up to his wrong-doings and dedicating himself wholeheartly to protect people and making the world a better place (his development of green energy, the application of BARF to medical purposes, and so on). Despite all of the sacrifices he made and how hard the superhero life must have been : costing him his relationship with Pepper in particular (and let's not forget that he was a middle-age man without superpowers or superspy training with a hole in his chest. Also, fighting in a metal amor couldn't have been easy. And I'm not even talking about his PTSD and anxiety) he never felt like he was good enough nor doing enough. That's the whole reason for him accelerating his and Bruce's creation of Ultron by using the mind stone.

His arrogance is only on a very superficial level (he is very confident in his scientifical and intellectual abilities, yes, but with very good, proven, reasons). It has been shown to be more of a persona (which he probably had to endorse to survive being constantly under the public eye since he was a little kid) than a manifestation of his true inner self. That's so in your face to me, that I have trouble understanding how in canon and in fandom it can be taken at face value.

That's the man that was the first to say that "he was a pipping hot mess" or the one that most often made none ambiguous admission of culpabilities (even when he was wrong about that because he's full of self-hatred), "And Ultron, my fault". Then, he always made an active reparation. Real arrogance would be someone that always denied doing anything wrong and, if he does, would be too proud to admit it or do anything about it.

He does have a self-centerness in that he feels deeply responsible for everything bad that happen, even when it's just him not being/doing good enough (in his distorted opinion of himself), and thinking as such that it's his duty to make thing rights. It's not a good mind set, but it's one that's easy to sympathize with for me.

To be honest, I could write so much more in defense of this character, but I'm not going to write a whole master thesis (there's enough material for it).

Everything you're accusing him of could be said about other Avengers or MCU characters. But he's the one that get the most shit on for that, in and outside the MCU.

I, for one, am deeply missing such a layered, imperfect but good (as a person and as a fictional character) character.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem with Tony is that he might have been capable of recognizing a mistake after the disaster has hit, but never well enough to stop making them at all. Every screw up was followed by a massive over correction in the other direction, leading to a new, easily, avoidable different life ruining mistake.

[(Anonymous)]

Here for this comment! Here for it all damn day!<3

[starwatcher]

Thank you so much for this meta. I haven't seen any of the MCU movies; my only knowledge of Tony Stark is through fanfic crossovers with other fandoms that I already know. The fic I've read has shown him in a favorable light -- otherwise I wouldn't have kept reading fic with him included -- and it's not unknown for fandom to take a character with a single good trait and build them up into something much better. <g> I really appreciate the deeper insight into the character that inspires people to write about him. Thanks again.

[tabaqui]

I agree with you 100% but - Civil War should have been an Avengers movie (if they had to make it) and I wish, frankly, they'd *never* made it, because it was just dumb and kinda ridiculous and I can't imagine even Tony, with all his issues and guilt and fix-it impulses and self-loathing thinking anything Ross touched had even the *slightest* value. Especially knowing about the fucking Raft (and hell, Gitmo).

So gross.

But I love Tony, canon or fanon (mostly). Not as much as I love Bucky, and Bucky/Steve, but I'm sad Tony's gone.

[(Anonymous)]

He learned from his mistakes as shown by him accepting the possibilities of having some of his actions legally regulated by the UN. Because he was thinking of others. Nothing hypocrital about it. That's call change.

He doesn't really change, though. He signs the Accords, and then he violates them almost immediately by joining Steve and Bucky in Siberia in pursuit of the five other super soldiers. He doesn't truly accept that he might benefit from oversight--he signs the Accords for emotional reasons, but he doesn't alter his actual behavior in any way afterwards.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm so mad about EDITH I could spit.

I adored him in the first IM.
AoU would have ruined Tony for me except it's so bad I ignored it. Civil War should have ruined Tony for me but I figured I'm just biased as a Bucky fangirl. By IW/EG I was just kind of annoyed whenever someone else wasn't on screen.

But after the Spiderman movies? Fuck it, fuck him, fuck it all I don't even want to rewatch movies he's in.

[(Anonymous)]

I have no horse in this race anymore, seeing as I'm going through a phase of being absolutely sick of the superhero genre as a whole, but as someone who used to be in the marvel fandom of old, when it was only comics with the occasional really bad live action movie, I swear that the Tony Discourse hasn't changed one iota.

It is highly amusing. Time truly is a flat circle.

[(Anonymous)]

This secret is so unapologetically anti lol. Like screw you Tony fans, he's definitely self centered, arrogant and ominous "etc". I kinda like this secret because of that.

People thinking Ultron was Tony's fault is forever a mystery to me. Ultron is a science gone wrong. The only way to avoid such things is to do no science.

[(Anonymous)]

also reminds me of when Rodney blew up the solar system in SGA. That was a screw up but how often his science saved the day?

[meadowphoenix]

I like him and I understand his decisions more than I understand other supers. But ultimately I think there was always going to be a problem with making Civil War an ensemble film (do I think it was a Cap America movie? mostly. but it' very clear to me that they should have let the bucky search movie happen before the civil war movie. the people who are coming to a steve/bucky movie aren't really the same people for a tony movie). And I do think giving Edith to a teenager was a mistake.

That said the accusation of arrogance, hypocrisy, and self-centeredness is funny because that's like all half the avengers.

[(Anonymous)]

I completely agree!

[(Anonymous)]

Seconding literally all of this.

[(Anonymous)]

Lemme guess, though: Stevie Boy and Bucky are uwu pweshus angels who do no wrong

[(Anonymous)]

Bro what in this secret says anything about any other Avenger

OP

[(Anonymous)]

There is plenty of arrogance and stupidity to go around in the MCU.
I could've made a secret about any of the Avengers, including Cap and Bucky, but I didn't.

This secret was about Tony Stark.

[(Anonymous)]

I hated Tony. I thought he drove the plots of too many of the movies via stupidity and stubbornness, and got too much screen time. I eventually started skipping the movies that he was in. And I also said good riddance to him in Endgame.

But I like Tony in a lot of fanfic.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks, Secret Maker!

The secret looks exactly how I pictured it in my head.
That's the screenshot I would've chosen.
Using Iron-Man's color scheme of yellow lettering on a red background? *chef's kiss* Perfect.
Thanks for taking the time to make it.

[(Anonymous)]

I could have written this secret as well. I was so glad he was fucking gone, and Im so mad that spiderman's films still fucking wank on about him. He's fucking dead, can we just stop acting like he was special, he was a fucking asshole, who actually was really shitty to Peter, grooming and manipulating a child into a war.