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I think of pan as in you'd be interested in pre-op trans people, or people having only one affirming surgery. So, for example a MTF who has had top surgery but not bottom.

Some people are open to the possibility and some aren't.

While I know that you mean no offense, that is the biphobic explanation, as it paints bisexual people as only caring about genitals at best, and transphobic at worst.

In practice, there's no real difference between a pansexual and a bisexual. The only difference is HOW a person sees themselves. They want to call themselves pan? they're pan. They want to call themselves bi? they're bi. But there's no "Pan means they like ALL, Bi means they like SOME" definition.

See your explanation is just as biphobic. It's okay to have genital preference, or to not as the case may be. If you're not attracted to a trans person that doesn't make you transphobic.

And where did I say not being attracted to a transexual person made you transphobic?

I said "It made bisexual look as if they only care about genitals AT BEST, and transphobic AT WORST" meaning, no, having a genital preference doesn't make you transphobic. It just means you have (or don't) a genital preference. Which yes, it IS biphobic. That was my point. It was not "my" explanation, it was the "WHY" saying bisexual people care about if the trans person has or hasn't transitioned fully is biphobic.

MY personal take on the bi/pan debate is, since it was not clear: there's no REAL difference. Both are attracted to all genders, in paper. Of course, individual bi and pan people will have different levels of attraction, and have personal preferences in every area, but as an umbrella term? BOTH pan and bi mean that you are attracted to more than one gender, and don't limit what genders you are attracted to.

How on earth is their explanation biphobic?? You misinterpreted their comment about genital preference, and they’ve already explained how. But nothing they’ve said is remotely biphobic. You’re pulling that out of nowhere. And it seems like you only felt the need to “No U” them about biphobia and accuse them of it because your quibble with what they said didn’t sound dramatic enough on it’s own for you. But if that’s not the case, then I have no idea what you’re on about or how you came to that conclusion.

I think that this (or something similar) is what many pansexual people understand themselves to mean when they say that they are pansexual rather than bisexual, but it is not a distinction that actually exists in the practical usage of the two words. People who call themselves bisexual generally do not think of it as a commentary on trans or intersex people in any way.

Echoing what others have said above, but also I wanna offer an explanation on why some people may choose to identify as bi or pan or any other label. For example, I identify as bi because it's the label I first learned about and I like that it is easily recognisable and understood. My friend identifies as pan because she wants to highlight that she is capable of being attracted to absolutely anybody (and also she likes to make jokes about kitchen cupboards). In practice, we could both be into the same people and definitely into people who have not had gender affirming surgery. But our personal reasons and opinions are why we choose different labels to refer to ourselves.

I hope this highlights that differences between labels aren't neatly cut and often has overlaps

+1 this is how I understood it

... okay but as someone who is bi, why would a bi person NOT be interested in a pre-op trans person? I can see something like that being an issue for someone who is straight, but when you're bi, it doesn't matter in terms of physical attraction?

For an individual bi person, it can definitely matter, the same way it might or might not matter to an individual straight or gay person. Attraction is complicated, and can be influenced by conscious or unconscious expectations and baggage. And there are transphobic bi people (and transphobic pan people, omni people, etc. - there is no flavour of queerness that inoculates against transphobia).

Dangerous line to take, branding someone as transphobic just for not being attracted to a trans person. There could be a myriad reasons. Best Judy to mind your own damn business.

Being attracted to men doesn't mean being attracted to *all* men, and being attracted to women doesn't mean being attracted to *all* women, and some people have very specific physical types and/or find certain features attractive on one gender but not the other. Like, if what you're after when you're having sex with a dude is a nice big dick and a flat chest with lots of chest hair to grab onto, your average pre-op trans man probably isn't going to scratch that itch.

I agree with what everyone else has said in response to you, so I'm just going to add one more potential distinction. First, I identify as bi because "pan" wasn't an option for me when I realized I wasn't straight. It was the late 90s, I was a kid, and resources for learning about all the different queer labels were much scarcer. I wouldn't hear the word "pansexual" until years later. So that's one reason some people do it. My second reason, and my reason for not switching to pan, is that I really am only attracted to the two binary genders. Cis or trans doesn't matter, but you gotta be male or female in some way. This has gotten me called nbphobic (not often luckily), which is fucking stupid; that's like calling a straight woman homophobic or misogynist for not being attracted to other women. I fully support nonbinary people, I've just never been attracted to any of them and saying I am would be disingenuous.

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