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⌈ Secret Post #5777 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I have never once seen someone like the AYRT have a single moment's introspection or any inkling of humility. Just ferocious moral certainty, burning all before it.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

Oh, fuck off.

[(Anonymous)]

Hit a nerve, huh?

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, the mating cry of the insecure douchebag:
Hit a nerve, huh?

[(Anonymous)]

How do you tell whether or not someone posting anonymously on the Internet had introspection or humility?

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Yeah, seriously. One comment from someone who think it's okay to tell racists to fuck off, and some people assume that person must be, what, inventing the racism/bigotry? Like there's no real bigotry online, and the comment OP must be exaggerating or inventing it? WTAF???

[(Anonymous)]

DA

My issue is that there are lots of people online labelling things as bigotry when they aren't, thus trivializing real bigotry and making it easier for the genuine bigots to get away with it.

Also, screaming insults at people is not the only way to address such things, and is unlikely to produce real change.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

My issue is that there are lots of people online labelling things as bigotry when they aren't, thus trivializing real bigotry and making it easier for the genuine bigots to get away with it.

But it seems pretty clear that not all accusations of bigotry are wrong, or are cases where someone is trivializing real bigotry, or whatever. If someone says "I don't like bigots", it's at least possible that they have real bigots in mind.

I mean, do you have any specific examples of people on this comm making bad accusations of bigotry in mind? What's the rationale for the assumption that that was going on here? It seems like a big jump to make to me.

Also, screaming insults at people is not the only way to address such things, and is unlikely to produce real change.

OK but if that's what you think, how does that then walk on over into implying people you disagree with are incapable of introspection or humility?

[(Anonymous)]

Not all accusations of bigotry are wrong, but in fandom, most them are. Like, maybe one time in fifteen or twenty, the accusation is actually real, and not just some fandom ship war or character-stanning bullshit. Fandom bullies have figured out that accusing someone of bigotry is a great way to get other people on board with their bullying, and actively look for things to attack other fans over.

As for examples, well, Sam Wilson stans insinuating that if anyone doesn't like him as much as they do, doesn't like him the way they do, or would have preferred a different character as Cap, it can only be because that person is racist. There's also the time someone got dogpiled because they said they thought of Korra as lesbian. And that lovely contingent who thought it was just fine to try to get a man fired from his job because they don't like the church they thought he went to and the beliefs they thought he had.

For your third, it never occurs to them to stop and ask if that person really meant what they thought they said, or it was a matter of poor wording. Or to ask them why they think that way. They just assume that they know everything, are automatically right about everything, and their (in most cases) very narrow worldview is the correct one. They just assume that they know where the other person is coming from, when in fact they don't.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh right, I remember the "dogpiling" about Korra. If by dogpiling you mean people kindly correcting the OP by saying Korra isn't a lesbian, she's canonically bisexual. And then people who insisted on being wrong about canon calling the canon corrections homophobic and eventually the OP coming back to say they know Korra's bi and were just using lesbian as a catch-all for wlw because the two other characters featured in the secret were actually canon lesbians.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it's not "dogpiling" to correct something that's factually wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it was, and pretty homophobic, too.

[(Anonymous)]

Where does it say in canon that she's bisexual? We know she dated a dude, and then ended up with a woman, but that's about it. She might be bisexual, or she might be lesbian. either way, that person wasn't doing anything wrong or taking anything away from you by headcanoning her as a lesbian.

[(Anonymous)]

SA Besides, Korra is fictional. She doesn't have a sexuality. Other fans are free to interpret her however they like.

[(Anonymous)]

Bryke issued an official statement within days after the finale to confirm that Korra and Asami were bisexual. Whether you regard that as Word Of God and ignorable is up to you I suppose, but that is 100% what the creators intended and wrote into the story. And they found it important enough to explicitly say "they're bisexual" instead of a more vague "they're together"

As far as "taking away from someone" by headcanoning, sure, a headcanon is a headcanon and within your own head does no harm, but when bisexuals face bi erasure CONSTANTLY in their every day life, they deserve to be able to look at even just a silly fictional character and say "she's bi just like me" and not be slapped back with biphobic arguments about someone's sexuality being defined by their current partner's gender over and over and over.

Signed, a lesbian who wants more lesbian characters as much as the next lesbian but supports bisexuals because they get shit too

[(Anonymous)]

You really felt the need to drag this back up however many months later?

[(Anonymous)]

Is the man "getting fired" because of his church Chris Pratt? Lmao I think he's doing just fine and doesn't need your defense.

[(Anonymous)]

It was still wrong to try to get him fired, and the campaign went far enough that James Gunn had to get into it. Whether Pratt's doing fine is immaterial to the argument.

[(Anonymous)]

'I have never once seen someone like the AYRT have a single moment's introspection or any inkling of humility'

I have never once seen is not the equivalent of saying they never have. There is no claim of knowledge here beyond public actions and words.

[(Anonymous)]

So, one, that's a very pedantic answer. It only speaks to the literal semantic content of the words, not to their broader context and rhetorical purpose. If nonny's comment was literally meant to merely reflect the precise state of nonny's knowledge, then their comment was basically empty and meaningless. So we can reasonably conclude it probably wasn't their purpose, and it's much more likely that their intent was to make a charge against the character of the poster.

Second - even if you take the comment as a very limited and pedantic statement about nonny's knowledge, it's still not correct. Because we are talking about anonymous posts here. Nonny does not know whether or not they have seen "someone like the AYRT" display introspection or any inkling of humanity, because the post is anonymous. So it is in fact entirely possible that they *have* seen someone like the AYRT, or even the AYRT themselves, display introspection / humility. They have literally no way of knowing. Even on the most literal reading possible, it's not a reasonable thing to say.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000

The lack of self-awareness is strong with this one.

[(Anonymous)]

Careful now, you'll get yourself labelled as... Whatever it is these people are railing against these days. Christ. Like the right don't have enough amunition without these fucking morons eroding all credibility that the left had.

[(Anonymous)]

that's an AWFUL lot of projecting if I ever saw it

[(Anonymous)]

DA Nah. Just someone who's been around the Net a few times.

[(Anonymous)]

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