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⌈ Secret Post #5888 ⌋

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Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

What's best for the world at large is a free, robust, rapid, inter- and intra-city public transit system. Individual transit, like cars, are going to be second to that no matter what the fuel is.

Elon killed a proposal for a train transit system with his stupid hyperloop that never got built.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

No public transport system, short of a Star Trek style transporter, will ever be able to provide the same level of flexibility and personal freedom that cars will. It simply is not possible, the spoke and hub vs point to point nature of the two systems means that public transport will always be second best. So the best thing is to make cars as clean and green as is possible.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT I think a lot of people who think it has to be one or the other (so of course it should be the best public transit) forget about large footprint countries (Canada, Australia, Russia, etc) where it's impossible outside of core cities to not NOT have a car. Even if I would efficiently use transit to get to work, it's a 2 hour drive (in good traffic) to get to my parents'. I wouldn't give up my car.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

Even then, there are a lot of 2-hour drives that could be replaced by reliable inter-city train service.

Not *all* of them obviously, especially in more remote rural areas. But a lot of them!

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

Turn a two hour drive into a five hour, four bus, trip. Public Transport: FTW!

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that shitty public transit is not a good replacement for cars! I think everyone agrees with that.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

Stop thinking about it as replacing current cars with current public transit.
It's replacing current cars with A LOT MORE OF MUCH BETTER public transit.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

Unless the train picks me up at my door and takes me direct to my destination, it is still going to take longer and require more fucking around than my car. Plus it means sharing personal space with some gross sweaty germ ridden other person, which my car does not require.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

one, nonny didn't say ban all car trips, they said make them secondary to public transit. there are a lot of car trips that could be accomplished with public transit instead if public transit was pervasive and well-designed and reliable, and if cities were designed around limiting unnecessary driving.

two, obviously public transit is always going to be spoke-and-hub to *some* extent, there's never going to be door-to-door public transit, but you can limit that significantly with good design.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

From Nonny:

This. You get it.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, exactly! I've lived in Toyko and I've lived in Melbourne and I've lived in rural Australia where there is literally no public transport at all. The "spoke and hub" can be well managed. There's many long, boring, expensive drives I have to do that lots of other people are doing too, often at the same time, which could be replaced with good public transport.

Not to mention short flights. Brisbane-Sydney-Canberra-Melbourne should have been a fast train decades ago.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

Yes! Thank you!

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Who said anything about flexibility and personal freedom? The secret mentioned what was best for the world at large. What is best for the world at large is to reduce the amount of cars on the road, whatever the fuel, to the bare minimum. You do this with public transit.

Public transit may be second best to people who think their personal freedom overrides the needs of the rest of the population, but I don't really care what they think. 'Cause they're wrong.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

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Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

In large cities you absolutely could build a public transport system where public transport is preferably to cars. I've lived in cities like that.

And it's also possible to offer inter-city travel like that. But it requires planning and effort and more buy-in than most municipal and state governments seem to be willing to give.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

Thread OP

I live in one such city right now. Before the pandemic and we switched to WFH permanently, I took the bus to work. Bus runs every 15 minutes, and the transit system has a tracker so you can see where the bus is in real time. 25 minute commute there where I could read or watch tv, compared to 15 by car (or 45 by car if the bridge was up). With an annual pass, it cost $0.60 cents per trip if I only took the bus to and from work, compared to $15 a day just for parking. Doesn't even get into the car itself, maintenance, gas, insurance, etc etc. My wife worked in the next town over: 30 min commute by car in the morning but it would often be 90 minutes home because of traffic. They eventually put in a train line, and now it would only take about 45 minutes if she still worked there.

I grew up in a small town where we had one (1) bus that ran once in the morning and once in the evening. My town was kinda poor and not everyone could afford a car. The solution is not to get more people cars they can't afford, but to have better public transit.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

But it requires planning and effort and more buy-in than most municipal and state governments seem to be willing to give.

Well, sure, but that's a political choice.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

"free, robust, rapid"

This is kinda like the "cheap, fast, good" rule - you can have at max 2 of those.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

I don't see why that's true (although I also think that having public transit be free isn't actually necessary or valuable, it makes more sense to charge a small ticket price and then if you want to give people discounted or free passes you can do that)

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I think cheap in this context probably refers to building and c running it rather than the ticket price.

But it's pretty well known that plenty of public transport systems actually spend more money a ticketing system than they make from it. So there's plenty of arguments for public transport being completely free to consumers.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Free is shorthand for free at the point of use. Like universal healthcare, we should have universal transit paid for by taxes. And just like universal healthcare, when you have central planning and large resources it becomes more efficient, equal, and actually cheaper in real dollars in the long run. Washington DC will be implementing it on a city wide scale this summer. The hard part is getting around the people who think riding the bus is for losers.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed - but it would be best if that team on renewable energy. Which still brings us back to the secret's argument over what fuel tech would be best

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

I have nothing to add to this comment. I just wanted to make the title repeat.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

Valid

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

[(Anonymous)]

I don't drive, my city has a wonderful transit system, I use trains and buses and occasional taxi to go out of city, but still no, we can't take out cars from this conversation. Individual transport is still faster and is needed for a lot of groups (people with small children, people with disabilities etc). Some people are just not going to ride with "other icky peasants". Also rural areas and vast countries are a thing.
So we can't take out cars from eco conversation even though I am all for public transport and I believe that USA's politic about cars is just evil.