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⌈ Secret Post #6006 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Uh... I guess you've never seen the science on it (hint, there is no possible test that both includes all cis and excludes all trans). Also, does that mean intersex can never be professional sports players? Seems like discriminating against someone based on their birth sex is an asshole move.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt
well, not allowing female athlets to win is a descrimination I agree.
idk how intersex people did in sports before and how they're doing now.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe you should do your research then. It is an actually pertinent aspect to the discussion about how naturally-occurring hormones affect performance in sports.

[(Anonymous)]

Muscles and build > hormones.
Seeing girls cry because some beardead athlet that was 300th in male competition before beat them is enough research for me.

[(Anonymous)]

...on the off chance that you're not a troll, which is very slim at present, the argument is that hormones--in this case testosterone--CAUSE the differences in muscle and build. As in, a cis woman with a naturally high testosterone level should be disqualified from competing with other, less-testosterone-high cis women, because her body's natural levels since birth give her an "unfair advantage".

And no, this isn't a hypothetical, this is several real cases with professional athletes and Olympians, unlike your example.

[(Anonymous)]

"Seeing girls cry because some beardead athlet that was 300th in male competition before beat them is enough research for me"

Alright, show us your research then. Which competition are you talking about and who is the MtF athlete who was 300th in the male division?

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, do you think that if trans women are allowed to compete in sports, cis women won't win anymore? That is so massively offensive to cis female athletes.

[(Anonymous)]

Not to mention starkly at odds with the actual data.

[(Anonymous)]

Trans women are bio males with usually more of an strength advantage. Biologically, they can beat cis women in many sports.

[(Anonymous)]

Good thing that sports isn't just about strength, but skill, flexibility, speed, and in some cases teamwork, otherwise the men with less testosterone and muscle mass than most women would be SOL.

The reason sports are gendered is because men couldn't handle getting their asses kicked by women.

https://daily.jstor.org/gender-incommensurability-in-sports/

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt
I'm on the fence about Chess. I heard that it's traditionally male dominated and that's why so few women compete in male league. I wonder if we will we see more female grandmasters in the future.

[(Anonymous)]

yes because male bodies are stronger than female? Why is that even a question? Have you seen record numbers for female and male sports?

Why is it offensive to female athlets? They know.

[(Anonymous)]

I highly suggest you research the differences between men's and women's sports. It's not as simple and straightforward as "men strong." Men's sports have had billions of extra funding and research. They're supported in sports in a way that women haven't been.

Why do you think world records in every discipline keep falling as years go by? Are the athletes of today that much better than the athletes of decades ago or is it because they have superior training, nutrition, and physio? Women's sports are still decades behind and playing catch up.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like it would generally be better to actually look and see if trans women athletes are consistently better than cis women athletes in practice

A lot of these conversations it's like, a trans person wins any event and it's immediately assumed that they won because they were trans; meanwhile no commentary addresses all of the events where they came 4th or 5th, or whatever

[(Anonymous)]

You can literally look up the men's and women's stats for world record performances in almost every pro sport out there and see for yourself that male athletes statistically outperform female athletes by a small but consistent margin. Enough of a margin that if you were to pit the top women against the top men in most given sports, the majority of the women would be edged out of top-level competitions.

If all competitive sports were unisex, there wouldn't be very many women in career-level competitive sports, no. I'm feminist as fuck; I'm just not interested in ignoring facts or making disingenuous, nonsensical arguments.

Trans women athletes are, obviously, not men. But they are male, and on average, without any sort of medical intervention, that gives them a significant biological advantage--as evidenced by the data. Whether or not there are humane, ethical ways of sufficiently neutralizing that advantage is another question, and possibly even one that can be answered to the satisfaction of most people. But it's honestly myopic, sexist bullshit to try to act like it shouldn't be an issue of concern for female pro athletes. This is their career, and their life's work; of course the question of whether they are competing at a biological disadvantage to other players is going to be important to them. If you are an empathetic person then that should be very easy to understand.

[(Anonymous)]

But it's honestly myopic, sexist bullshit to try to act like it shouldn't be an issue of concern for female pro athletes.

I can agree that there's some extent to which it could be an issue of concern for female pro athletes.

But there is basically no overlap between the way in which it could be an issue of concern for female pro athletes, and the way in which it's talked about in actual practice in contemporary society. The way in which it's talked about in actual practice in contemporary society is entirely a product of transphobia.

[(Anonymous)]

da
That's why I hope the authorities will revaluate new records held by trans women. And hold separate trans women competitions.

[(Anonymous)]

You can literally look up the men's and women's stats for world record performances in almost every pro sport out there and see for yourself that male athletes statistically outperform female athletes by a small but consistent margin.

And is this from a biological innate advantage, or the fact that women's sports are consistently undervalued, under invested, under represented, under researched, and under supported?

[(Anonymous)]

>Whether or not there are humane, ethical ways of sufficiently neutralizing that advantage is another question, and possibly even one that can be answered to the satisfaction of most people. But it's honestly myopic, sexist bullshit to try to act like it shouldn't be an issue of concern for female pro athletes.

And what's your stance on cis female pro athletes being targeted for their supposed unfair natural advantages over other cis women? Born and raised as women but banned because their testosterone levels are too high? Literally forced to take medically invasive tests and/or put on drugs to adjust their natural hormone levels to something "acceptable"? Do we care about those women or nah?

[(Anonymous)]

So no more black women in sports, got it.

[(Anonymous)]

>>Wait, do you think that if trans women are allowed to compete in sports, cis women won't win anymore?

They don't have to imagine that, the media's obligingly been providing lots of pictures. Which is why sports fans have recently developed lots of opinions on this.

[(Anonymous)]

Except the media is lying. Like when they cried and complained about a trans woman "beating 14000 women" in a marathon. They wrote the article to make it sound like she easily won first place. Didn't say she actually came in at 6160th.

[(Anonymous)]

You mean all those white girls who whine that they lost (but conveniently leave out the dozens of cis girls they also lost to who actually took first and not fifth while they took thirteenth)?

[4thofeleven]

Remember how when trans athletes started competing in the Olympics fifteen years ago, and then no AFAB athlete ever won a medal again?

Oh wait, that DIDN'T HAPPEN.

[(Anonymous)]

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