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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2024-01-22 06:05 pm

[ SECRET POST #6226 ]


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Gripe thread

(Anonymous) 2024-01-23 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sick of tumblr posts calling you a bad person if you're not doing a social media strike this week in support of Gaza. IT'S TUMBLR. Unless you're giving money, anything you're doing on there is just performative anyway.

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(Anonymous) 2024-01-23 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
I'm on tumblr all the time didn't even know this was a thing. Haven't heard a peep about it.

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(Anonymous) 2024-01-23 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
As much as I support protesting and not shopping (outside of necessary items), it surprised me that 'don't go to work/school' is one of the tenets. Like... in this economy? Anyone not going to work for a week is going to lose their job...

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(Anonymous) 2024-01-23 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
Lmao for fucking real? I work retail, if I don't go to work I don't get fucking paid. Who the shit actually thinks that's a remotely feasible thing for most people??

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(Anonymous) 2024-01-23 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
Not only lose their job but also not get paid, which can be the difference between paying bills and/or eating.

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(Anonymous) 2024-01-23 02:11 am (UTC)(link)
Honestly I find the whole thing terribly performative. People are yelling about 'general strike for Gaza!' but then adding 'unless you can't skip work or school of course.' Like... it's not really a strike then. It's the people who can take a sick day took a sick day. I saw someone posting that strikes work because what about the Montgomery bus boycotts and such, and those worked because people put their lives and livelihoods on the line (and because it was localized and they were actively impeding the thing they wanted to protest). Sorry, you didn't stand up bravely for Palestine by taking a sick day that your boss agreed to and calling it a strike. And I'm not saying that people should give up their livelihood for Palestine, just that lets not act as if this is a big huge movement of standing up against The Man.

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(Anonymous) 2024-01-23 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
Can someone explain the current situation with the whole surrender talks? The more I look at it, it seems extremely polarising for either side.

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(Anonymous) 2024-01-23 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
I'm blocking anyone on tumblr that posts about it atm, it's either complete misinformation on both sides or people trying to guilt you into staying UP TO DATE on a horrible situation to out-progressive one another. I go to tumblr for gifsets and art of the fandoms I'm in, I'll read the news to find out more about the actual situation thanks.

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(Anonymous) 2024-01-23 11:44 am (UTC)(link)
Especially since staying up-to-date is kinda iffy with all the information coming from various sources that are akk highly biased in their own way.
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[personal profile] philstar22 2024-01-23 01:31 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sick of both sides of that debate. On the one side, Israel can do no wrong and the massacre they suffered means anything they do is justified. On the other side, anything done to Israel is justified due to how they treat Palestinians. How about some nuance? How about this is an issue where there is genuine disagreement and that is okay? How about both sides have done terrible things?


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(Anonymous) 2024-01-23 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
This is one of those debates that reveals how little thought people give to their moral positions. On both sides, the reasoning comes from a place of, "whether something is right or wrong depends on who is doing it," with neither side considering where that kind of thinking can ultimately lead.

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(Anonymous) 2024-01-23 02:18 am (UTC)(link)
It's honestly creepy to me how quickly people went full witch hunt against the 'Zionists.' Celebrity mentioned they support Israel existing six years ago? They're a Zionist who supports genocide, boycott them, shame them! (Unless it's a celebrity you like, then they have good reasons.) There's a lot of teenagers with no life experience demanding all the people who live in Israel deserve to be killed by freedom fighters of Palestine and if you don't agree you must support the slaughter of babies! Just a lot of black and white thinking and patting themselves on the back because they are so enlightened and are the only ones standing up against genocide (by posting a lot on Twitter). Literally saw people talking about how great the Houthi pirates are for stopping the evil Zionists, ignoring that the Houthi have done terrible things to the Yemeni people but since they're against Israel they must be righteous and pure.

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(Anonymous) 2024-01-23 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
About, oh, a week or so ago, someone I follow reblogged a screenshot of a retweet. The original tweet was someone saying something like, "you're all useless" and "I guess I'll just wait for me and my family to die." The gist of the retweet was, "if this makes you mad, then you're not a true pro-Palestinian ally. This should make you want to do MORE."

All I could think was: what does "MORE" mean to you, or to anyone passing this around? What are you actually giving to this cause you care so much about? Because I suspect the reason the original party was so upset; the reason he was saying that everyone is "useless;" is because everyone's idea of "activism" is "raising awareness" while sitting comfortably on their asses and clutching their purse strings. Or, only slightly more charitably, it's staging protests outside of cancer centers.

I remember when the war in Ukraine started. People actually packed up and went to the Ukraine and surrounding countries. These people on Tumblr and Twitter who claim to care SO FUCKING MUCH about Palestine? They aren't doing that. They aren't putting their money where their mouth is. They're engaging in a giant circle jerk, using the bloodshed as yet another excuse to shame and self-aggrandize.

And, to be clear, I'm not saying that anyone is obligated to do that. But I am saying that if you're showcasing your "allyship" and using it to lambast other people, then you should walk the goddamn walk instead of just flapping your electronic lips.

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(Anonymous) 2024-01-23 03:38 am (UTC)(link)
psst, those were mercenaries and crazier wanting a safari. They're not doing it now because less money as US supports Israel and more bombing in Gaza. Also any foreigner risks to get killed by Gaza side if they go there, especially LGBT and women. So you saying 'Go there!' is moronic.

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[personal profile] meadowphoenix 2024-01-23 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
*side note that performative actions are good actually; performance is social notice and it is useful and when done with thoughtfulness very effective*

what is always going to be a problem on social media progressives is organization. they don't know what it does, what it helps, or how it works, and so there's a cycle of "doing" something and then seeing that not be successful and then talking about how the world is too corrupt so we need to "do" something, which serves to alienate people farther and farther from the socio-political processes which would actually be useful to control. it's kinda depressing.

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(Anonymous) 2024-01-23 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
But performative actions aren't good when they're done thoughtlessly, and when they're more about improving someone's standing or finding a reason to punish others than about tackling the actual issue. In those cases, it can completely backfire and cause people to associate the issue with repellant behavior.

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(Anonymous) 2024-01-23 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
I had two Tumblr posts in a row, one saying that if you weren't going to bother striking don't reblog this, and the next (with the same graphics) saying that YOU MUST REBLOG THIS. Just what.

Nobody cares if you do a social media strike! There are a lot of things you can do to help Gaza, but this is absolutely not one of them.

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(Anonymous) 2024-01-23 03:39 am (UTC)(link)
It was really 50/50 pro Israel and pro Gaza. Seems like it's 90% pro Gaza now.

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(Anonymous) 2024-01-23 03:21 am (UTC)(link)
I find all of the Gaza-hugging terribly performative.

There are wars all over the place at all times, but suddenly we're expected to care about Gaza, when Gaza's neighbors won't take in the population? It serves them to foment conflict.

Goddamn, palestinians/hamas. Catch a clue. You lost in the 40s, the 60s, the 70s and the 80s. What did they think was going to happen, a concession party?

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(Anonymous) 2024-01-23 04:12 am (UTC)(link)
They were not asked. They're mostly poor and mostly dying.

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(Anonymous) 2024-01-23 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I guess blocking every tag I could think of do pays off

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(Anonymous) 2024-01-23 05:41 am (UTC)(link)
I'm afraid Trump is going to win this year because leftists won't vote for the lesser evil when the lesser evil doesn't support Palestine.

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[personal profile] ariakas 2024-01-23 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
It's interesting to me to see just how disconnected the sentiments are by generation: my parents (boomers) lived through two existential wars fought by Israelis where they were attacked by multiple forces superior in size and in their view, they are still this scrappy underdog, the only bastion of light in the Middle East, etc., while for millennials and below, the only experiences within their living memory are of Israel-as-oppressor, a superior force antagonizing a lesser one. I don't know enough Gen X folks to comment on their views, but the Boomer <-> Gen Y/Z difference is stark.

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(Anonymous) 2024-01-23 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I would love to read a study of social media strikes. Because a strike that is so spread out, even if it pulls in hundreds/thousands of people, wouldn't have much of an effect would it? If on person in a high school joins in would anyone really notice? If one worker at the local McDonalds no-call no-shows do you think the franchise owner would tell corporate? Even if one worker struck at 10% of McD's would that stand out from the normal noise of flu season?

And I mean, I'm a fan of letter writing/office calling campaigns but these strikes don't feel concentrated enough to have an impact.

Also, striking on Tumblr feels completely useless because then they'll just lose money *slightly* less faster than usual.

But also also I don't trust Tumblr for such polarized news. Like, at all. I've got tons of it blocked. I just do not trust the source-less misinfo.

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(Anonymous) 2024-01-24 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sick of the fact that I'm having a whole existential crisis over a five page psych evaluation from my childhood where I was described having autistic traits and my mother hid that information from me for over 25 *years*. If she had actually put me in the extensive therapy recommended to help me learn how to regulate my emotions and the 'basic social skills' I was 'lacking', maybe I wouldn't have been the fuck up I am today. As it is, I'm pushing 40, JUST managing to get SOMEWHERE in my life, and slowly coming to the realization that I've been autistic this whole time, and it -wasn't- me being lazy, or spoiled, or so smart I was 'able to fool all of the therapists they sent me to' in the words of my mother.

I feel like I have to re-learn who I am as a person all over again, and I'm so *tired*.

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