[ SECRET POST #6321 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6321 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Lark Rise to Candleford]



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06. [WARNING for discussion of rape]




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08. [WARNING for discussion of underage ships]

[Five Nights at Freddy's]


































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Comments

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

This relies on the assumption that top = man and bottom = woman, and that m/f necessarily involves women being in the bottom. But women can top, and men can bottom.

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

It's easier to say top and bottom than "one who penetrates" and "one who is penetrated". But fine.

I'll believe it's not people trying to pass m/f as m/m when the trans men gets to Be The One Who Penetrates once and a while. *eye roll*

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

Given that the vast majority of trans men do not get bottom surgery, because phalloplasty is an incredibly difficult surgery with a surfeit of complications and a low rate of success, even in real life the trans man is almost never the One Who Penetrates. Do you think most sex between trans men and cis men is just people trying to pass off hetero sex as gay sex?

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

If you don't have a homemade dick, a store-bought is fine.

So not only do I reject your statement that in real life the trans man is almost never the One Who Penetrates, but this also is a neat solution in fanfiction to having the afab always be penetrated.

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

And I reject the idea that in order for a trans man to truly be a man, abd to truly be having gay sex, he's got to either have surgery or buy a strap-on. I further reject the notion that to be penetrated is to be the bottom, and think that's absolutely some sexist shit.

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

You know what is some sexist shit? When all the transmale fic has the afab being penetrated in the front hole. That's some sexist shit. Let transmen FUCK someone. How hard is this?

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

You can FUCK someone without having a dick!

What's sexist is saying that men have dicks and women have vaginas, that men fuck and women get fucked. The entire notion that these fics are problematic is based on two premises: first, that to be a man is to be a penetrator; and second, that it's the man, as penetrator, who is in charge of the action. The only way for a trans man to prove their manliness, in this framework, is to perform the exact trad essentialist bullshit that you claim not to want.

The trad man is Man to you. There is no other way to be a man. There is no man who is penetrated, or man who has a vagina and happens to like it that way. There is only Man as Active Party Sticking Cock in Subservient Holes.

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

Yes! You can fuck using all sorts of things! Which means that there's NO EXCUSE TO HAVE THE TRANS MAN ALWAYS GET FUCKED.

Of course men can get fucked. We're talking about M/M fandom here. Do you think they just hold hands and gaze longingly at each other? Men can fuck and get fucked. But you know what? When one particular character is always the trans man and that one particular character always gets fucked and that one particular character always gets fucked in a VAGINA, that's fucking sexist. Men can get fucked in the ass. Men can fuck with things other than their dicks.

There are tons of ways to be a man. But when your trans man is ALWAYS fucked in the front hole? That's telling me you view trans men as the-traditional-woman-sex-role with he/him pronouns. LET TRANS MEN FUCK.

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, you're not really wrong, but some slash writers always have the same character bottom when the fic is all cis guys.

There are plenty of gay cis guys that prefer to bottom. The trans guy can certainly take it in the ass, though. Or whatever the character likes, but some people just like being dicked and not doing the dicking.

I'm a cis woman and I've strapped a dick on myself, too, but I don't really enjoy it physically because there are no...nerve endings in a strapon? It's for the bottom to enjoy in that situation.

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

da

You're a cis woman equating your irl personal preferences with choices of how to portray a character. *You* didn't enjoy topping physically, so it's "for the bottom to enjoy" apparently. Let's just ignore everyone who enjoys topping that way... and let's keep ignoring that multiple things can be true. Yes, trans people have sex in all kinds of ways. Yes, a lot of trans fic often plays with gender dynamics and gender related kinks, you have to be stupid to not admit that it's there. That doesn't make it bad, sometimes I can enjoy that aspect myself, but it isn't everyone's cup of tea.

It's not problematic or whatever to do a fic where a trans guy bottoms but it is understandable that people are uncomfortable with it being the default approach or just disinterested in the scenario. This preference against it really doesn't need to be defended so hard, especially by cis people, thanks.

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

The idea that "to fuck" is "to penetrate" is the sexist take, here -- that the only way to be the active party rather than the passive one (the one *getting* fucked) is to have some implement that's being inserted into someone else's body; and that the one who's passive is necessarily a woman, not a man, because to be a man is to insert implements, and to be a woman is to havd implements inserted. Do you think if a trans man is sitting on his partner's face that he's not fucking said partner? Do you think if two men are engaging in frottage to completion, then neither of them has fucked?

Something like two thirds of gay men don't have anal sex because they don't like it. Are they not real gay men, and can none of them be said to be fucking?

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

Source?

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

You don't seem to understand what the issue is here. If there happens to be a vagina in a m/m sex scene, people would like the vagina to not always be the main feature in the sex. They would like the vagina haver to do things you don't normally see vagina havers do in M/F sex. Cause this is M/M sex.

But you're arguing that that is bad and sexist. Which is weird, because you seem to think that if one person has a vagina, the sex must be thing-into-vagina. That's, um... very biological existentialism of you, totes-not-a-terf anon....

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

No, I don't think the sex *must* be thing-into-vagina. Hell, there are a bunch of ways to have sex that don't involve penetration at all! What I'm arguing is that thinking a trans man *must* have a dick of some sort, and must put that dick in something, is essentialism; and that thinking a trans man is somehow less of a man, somehow still a woman, if he has PIV sex, as if womanhood is completely defined by having a vagina and manhood is completely defined by having a penis, is sexist. I don't see any way around that.

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

"Do you think most sex between trans men and cis men is just people trying to pass off hetero sex as gay sex?"
In fanfic, it definitely is a pretty big part of it, yes.

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

I keep coming back to this comment and loling. "Almost never" is such a bold claim. Ftm tops exist, weirdo. Can you stop acting like you're defending trans men against sexism or whatever while also saying stupid shit like this? You obviously aren't talking about real life no matter how much you claim to be. Nobody is going to make you stop reading your precious bottom ftm PIV slash fic, okay?

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

THIS. Give me fics with the trans guy pegging his partner, male or female!

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

So you think what makes a man is having a dick, and what makes a woman is having a vagina?

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Do all trans men want to get fucked in their front holes? If you want to fuck someone with something, be it your own dick or another one, does that make you not a trans man?

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

No, that doesn't make someone not a trans man. But the idea that being a man *requires* having a penis and/or penetrating someone with a penis is cissexist.

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

You are being really disingenuous in this thread, if you're the same person replying all over it. Like honestly are you a troll? Saying "it's okay for trans guys to bottom" is almost a complete non sequitur to people saying they don't like common tropes in ftm fic and that most ftm fic is ftm bottom.

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

There's a big difference between saying, "this trope isn't my thing" and saying, "when a trans guy bottoms, it's actually hetero sex in disguise." It's the latter that I took issue with, and it's the anon who made that argument that I've been primarily engaged with.

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

It's amazing how you keep persistently ignoring that this is about very pervasive and potentially questionable tropes in fanfic, not about real life.

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

Not talking about trans guys actually bottoming with their cis boyfriends in real life. Talking about made up trans guys having made up sex that was described with deliberate word choices, characterization choices and focuses in fanfiction on the internet. hth

Re: Based on 7

[(Anonymous)]

Stop ignoring that we all talking about fanfics and tropes here.
Trans guys can fuck or not fuck in any way they want. They are not less guys for preferring PIV sex. But anon was talking about fancic and common tropes.
Woman isn't less of a woman or a feminist if she wears heavy make up. But people still can and should criticize how in media women look the same.
Yes, it's sus that a lot of authors make trans characters just to fuck some pussy. And maybe individual authors aren't bad or sexist etc and there is nothing wrong with a kink but people allowed to be wary and allowed to dislike the trope