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⌈ Secret Post #6391 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure about actors, they just work there, but there is a trend of showrunners and directors getting upset when the audience doesn't respond the way they thing they ought to. No showrunner is entitled to a specific reaction from the audience, and getting upset that the audience is "wrong" is not going to win them over.

[(Anonymous)]

Give the audience what they want, not what you think they should get.

[philstar22]

But there is no universal audience who wants the same thing. So there is no way to please the audience 100% and give them everything they want. Because different people want different things.

[(Anonymous)]

That’s a big problem with modern media. So many don’t have a target audience so they don’t make something that specific groups would like. I still laugh at the Netflix Witcher show because they had an audience of millions before they even started but they decided not to make the show they promoted because it would be too niche. They lost their star, their audience was less than half of what was projected and has long since shrunk, and they’re competing against larger, more successful franchises. But if they’d made the show they originally pitched and promoted, they’d have an audience four times the size of the one they have now. Probably not large enough to justify the production costs but it wouldn’t be nearly as big a loss.

[(Anonymous)]

Damn, 'The Witcher' is such an excellent example of this phenomenon. And the thing is that the first season wasn't bad -- it was rooted in the original IP, told its story in an interesting way, and had a couple of great ending hooks. But they went and completely fucked it up! Second season, they were clearly trying to make things look the part, but looks were all that was there.

Thinking about it, though, I'm not sure it's about having a target audience as about wanting people to "eat their vegetables." You shouldn't watch this for Geralt; you should watch it for Yennifer and Ciri. Geralt is there to facilitate their journeys as powerful women. Which, look, I'm down for powerful women on narrative journeys, but sometimes the main character is a man, and sometimes, that's what people want to see.

[(Anonymous)]

Kinda digressing from your point (and agreeing?): Yennefer's pretty awesome. But that anyone should watch the Witcher for Ciri is laughable and if the execs are really pushing that angle, wow. Ciri is a bland, unoriginal copy of a character type that's been done a million times before in a million better ways. Maybe she's a good version of that type in the books (I haven't read them, know little about them) but definitely not on the show. Sure you can say the same for (show) Geralt, but don't claim Ciri's different.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

exactly. Stop turning these tv series into somehing it never was for people that never did and never will watch it.

[(Anonymous)]

There's no one Official Group Of True Fans who all want the same things and agree on what they want.

[(Anonymous)]

So are you saying that Lazy Town should branch out and have more Sporta/Robbie romance plot because there's no one Official Group Of True Fans who all want the same things so everything goes? Maybe even throw in a murder mystery just in case because who knows. Kill the Mayor.

[(Anonymous)]

No, but a piece generally has a particular set of people who are interested in it for a particular set of reasons.

For example, a lot of people don't like SF/F. You aren't going to get them to like it, no matter what you do. So, if you're writing SF/F, you shouldn't consider them. You should solely consider SF/F fans.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think creators should give the audience what they want, generally. The audience, as a mass, tends to be kind of immature and myopic about what we (think we) want, and even if the audience has overwhelmingly great opinions about what they want to see, that wont matter if the creator doesn't approach what they're writing with passion and conviction.

I think, on the whole, the best approach as a creator is to focus on articulating and realizing your own vision for the story as well as you can. (Having cowriters and/or editors whose skills and insights you trust deeply is also usually a very strong approach.)

With that said, if you can do all of that while also taking criticism under careful consideration, then you've really got the makings of an excellent creator/creative team. Like, I don't think you should actively cater to your audience's desires, but I do think Parks & Rec got significantly better once they took audience criticism on board and started making careful course-adjustments, you know?

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with all of this. It's a shame that this take seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle.

[(Anonymous)]

You can be like that on the indie circuit, but when you are handling billion dollar action franchise that people are turning to just for a break from every day life, you damn well give them what they paid to see. Not what you think they ought to get, what they damn well want. And if you don't like the big tent, and the three rings, you go back to the sideshows and run your own stall.

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of it feels like intentional outrage mongering, tbh.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't like how they use black women as human shields. Like, if they know there is going to be controversy over the show, they cast a black woman in it and then claim everyone who dislikes the thing is being racist because they know that some loud voices will be and they can use them to tar everyone else. It is disrespectful to actors and the audience.

[(Anonymous)]

It would also be good if it were possible to cast POC in things without a lot of nerds online being loudly and angrily racist.

[(Anonymous)]

It would be nice, but it isn't realistic. So instead lets focus on not casting black actors just for the purpose of so they can be thrown to the wolves to protect showrunners from accusations of bad writing. Write good stories instead.

[(Anonymous)]

And then they can say "See! We tried it and people hated it! We probably shouldn't do it anymore!". Even if the main reason people hated it was because it was a half-assed badly written piece of trash.

[(Anonymous)]

I wish Who would skip to that part, because they've done the first bit of it for the last three regenerations. Skip to the bit where they go back to what works.

[(Anonymous)]

+100000

[(Anonymous)]

Controversy is generally going to arise over any long-running and/or beloved property. It's going to happen over any blockbuster. It's going to happen over anything that touches geek/nerd-dom.

If there's something wrong with casting black actors in a show that is likely to cause controversy, then the logical conclusion to be drawn is that black actors should not be cast in any long-running, beloved, popular, or nerdy show -- which is not particularly good or useful.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

You could stop blackwashing existing white characters and introduce good POC characters. And don't cast actors who keep shouting about how they hate white people or this show isn't for white/straight men or how they're better than icky mediocre white people or telling people to go and touch grass instead of watching.

[(Anonymous)]

There definitely is, and it's shitty. All it does is alienate the audience, and a lot of the time, that audience will leave and not come back.

Marvel Studios has been doing this for a while, and all it's really doing is pissing off the fans who are still willing to show up for their movies.