[ SECRET POST#6433 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6433 ⌋

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[Steven Universe]



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[fscom]

02. https://i.imgur.com/QvcRSq6.png
[Steven Universe]

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not exclusively a het shipper (I do have gay ships on SU, with Pearl even) but I kind of genuinely like Pearl/Greg, and do think Pearl/Dewey is cute too, so I kind of get the pain. I'm queer and very much get people being protective over queer(-coded) characters, but neither me nor you are going to somehow change canon for liking the magic rocks kissing guys. Hopefully you get to find a small group of SU fans who are more chill about this.

[(Anonymous)]

Nice looking bait

[(Anonymous)]

Or it could just be a differeing opinion that is unpopular and thus kept a secret.

If you have nothing to contribute you can always scroll on by.

[(Anonymous)]

Judging from the above reply, I think you might be right.

[(Anonymous)]

Give it a rest.

[(Anonymous)]

At this point every secret here is going to be bait- oh wait, this comment is bait...

[(Anonymous)]

no no, there are a lot of pewdey shippers actually, I have a former friend who's like an amazing artist and they go hard for that ship, and their arts are like 200-500 notes minimum on tumblr, so ppl like it.

[(Anonymous)]

I normally don't ship het but I like a few het ships, it can be awkward to be the only het shipper in a corner of fandom (or the only slash shipper). I don't think it's wrong to ship characters outside of their canonical/implied orientation either. It's just a "what if" story, it can change anything from canon. People can ignore fan ships they dislike as well. Some characters I can only see as lesbians for example and I just avoid het fic and art. Pewey has a lot of potential for fun character dynamics.

That said, idk if there's anything else going on that is leading to misunderstandings of being homophobic? There are definitely situations where people who dislike a ship throw accusations like that around, but I don't know if maybe something you do comes across different than how you intend. Such as comments that come across as bashing femslash shippers or something. But I don't see anything bad about your ships on the surface at all.

[(Anonymous)]

If it's just one or two people are calling you homophobic I wouldn't worry too much.

But if many unrelated people are calling you homophobic, chances are you probably ARE homophobic or at the very least said/did something that sounded homophobic . Especially if the people calling you that are queer.

[(Anonymous)]

I doubt the OP is actually homophobic. The obvious queer overtones and progressive themes of Steven Universe would scare off any actual homophobes from the show (ruby' and sapphire's relationship, pearl falling for punk girl, pearl and rose relationship and also steven's gender nonconformity. The dude isn't exactly the most masculine guy around. He also cross-dressed multiple times) .

An actual homophobe would run for the hills away from the show and fandom

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, this. I have plenty of friends who ship primarily het ships, but they also acknowledge the existence/possibility of non-het ships as well even if they don't personally ship them.

If you don't ship ANY non-het ships in ANY fandoms, then yeah, I think that's something you probably need to examine. Even my straight dude friends have some gay ships that they're into or at the very least acknowledge exist in the canons.

[(Anonymous)]

okay

[(Anonymous)]

On one hand I strongly believe that people can ship what they want. On the other "exclusive het shipper" sounds like I would run for the hills from this person. Going into show full of lesbians just to invent male OCs to ship sounds icky

[(Anonymous)]

Sounds more like they invented female OCs to ship with male human characters, considering all gems are female. I think.

That phrase stuck out to me too

[(Anonymous)]

I wasn't sure if they meant "the only ships that have caught me in this canon are all het" or "I only look for het ships ever" - the first would be whatever but the second is giving big homophobic religious vibes.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, Steven Universe fandom is a known cesspit, so I wouldn't be surprised if *anybody* in that fandom was getting attacked for something they did (or even something they didn't do).

[(Anonymous)]

Hm, yeah this is hard. On one hand, the heart wants what it wants, and shipping is a fan activity. It doesn't actually change canon and fans should be able to do what they like.

On the other hand, Steven Universe is such an intentionally gay (especially lesbian) show that I feel like ignoring all that subtext and the various wlw relationships it features or alludes to in favor of het pairings, including ones without any basis in canon, is reading so far against the intent of the show and ignoring its themes that it's going to come off as pretty cringe unless you cancel it by making it clear you are aware of all the lesbian subtext in the show, it just doesn't particularly interest you.

And to be clear, there's nothing wrong with cringe! Also, I've absolutely been in this situation myself -- I read most of CLAMP's manga and always came away hating or being annoyed by the juggernaut slash ship and latching onto some random het ship instead. I know what it's like to be Missing the Whole Point of Canon in my shipping tastes that puts me at odds with the rest of fandom and which reads very far against the intent of the text! There's nothing wrong with being cringe in fandom; that said, fandom is famously bad at not dealing well with cringe if it intersects with an axis of social justice (het relationships in a very LGBT show, in this example) and will absolutely hound/bully fans for the "crime" of being cringe, because there is social justice language easily at hand for interpreting those uncomfortable cringe reactions (i.e. someone who passes over all the canon gay ships to ship the random het pair isn't missing the point of the show in a way that's embarrassing; rather they are "erasing" canon gay characters). My reaction to that is generally "fuck off" -- people don't ever have to ship canon pairings, and that doesn't change if the canon pairings happen to be gay. You can choose to interpret shipping tastes as "erasure" but I find this a very stupid lens through which to analyze shipping behavior.

On the final hand, I gotta say that identifying as an "exclusive het shipper" does raise red flags for me. I get what people are saying above that there isn't some quota for gay ships that people have to ship lest they are a homophobe, and again, the heart wants what it wants. That said, I have just never met someone in fandom who was an exclusive het shipper who wasn't also homophobic. Not necessarily in the "I hate gay people and think they are gross/deserve to die" or "no one should ship these pairings because they are sinful" sense of homophobic, but in the sense that they had been raised with the notion that homosexuality was wrong, and even if they themselves are fine and lovely to real-life gay people, there is still something in them that thinks gay pairings are wrong or inappropriate and they're still wrestling with that. Depending on their social circles, such exclusive het shippers might even justify their shipping tastes as not liking "fetishization" of gay people or discomfort with making a children's show sexual (which would not be out of place in e.g. pro-LGBT anti spaces). Or they might just say they've never seen a gay pairing that grabbed them and leave it at that, but yeah, I've literally never encountered an "exclusive het shipper" who didn't come from a very conservative Christian background and was still wrestling with the anti-gay ideas that come with that upbringing, even if they themselves weren't a frothing-at-the-mouth homophobe. I guarantee you that someone in their social circle when they were growing up WAS. (Well, I might be proven wrong one day, but that has been my whole fandom experience so far.)

[(Anonymous)]

Shipping isn't activism, but it's still a reflection of ourselves. Not in a bad way, it is just is. Bulling is wrong either way, but I just wouldn't want to communicate with people showing some red flags. You do you, but I am blocking

[(Anonymous)]

The third paragraph of this comment is unreal. "You may be accepting of gay people appearing in the media you consume. You may have no problem with other people shipping slash. You may treat gay people well. You may support and defend gay rights. But despite all of that, if you're a het person who only ships het, you're still a homophobe."

Hey, question for all of you: do you also think het people are homophobic for not entering into same-sex relationships from time to time? Because the entire vibe of this comment section really comes across as, "heterosexuality is a problematic choice, not an inherent sexual orientation."

[(Anonymous)]

It might not be because of your ships that you're getting hate, it may be how you talk about and present your ships. You can have het ships of queer characters and it's fine, but if you present it as "the way it should be" or that anything else is sad or gross then yeah, the hate will be there.

People can ship whatever they want in whatever fandom, but there are ways to do it.

[(Anonymous)]

I'll be honest guys, what I'm gettin from these comments is that it's all "shipping is not activism!" Until it's in a way you guys don't like. OP shipping only het doesn't make they any more homophobic than someone shipping only slash makes then sexist.
"Homophobic vibes" from shipping cartoons is way too silly personally, we don't know OP outside of they liking SU and having a prefference for M/F.

You do you OP, not into it myself, but the characters aren’t real people, you're not taking away any representation, it still exists on the show. Have fun!

[(Anonymous)]

Not even Ruby/Sapphire, who explicitly get married in the show? Yeah, you're the weird one here.

[(Anonymous)]

"Because people think Pearl is a lesbian" because she's a lesbian. This isn't like popular fanon it's just the text haha. Ship whatever you want I don't care but people aren't calling her a lesbian for no reason

[blindmeteor]

The majority of my ships are m/m, but I do have fandoms where I prefer the het ones over the gay fandom faves. Knowing my shipping preferences, I'm always surprised when I get attached to one I wasn't expecting! One of the examples I like to give is Revolutionary Girl Utena. I went into it fully expecting to ship Utena/Anthy, but swerved a hard left into... Touga/Utena. Yeah.