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I have yet to see someone actually explain why they feel a convicted felon is better than a prosecutor as a President and it's exceedingly depressing. Y'all the bar is in hell.

Do you want someone to or are you just looking to be angry at people?

Edited 2024-11-08 00:06 (UTC)

AYRT. Genuinely interested. In the interests of full disclosure, I voted for Kamala, I've read a fair bit of project 2025 and it's very clear both Trump and Vance support it in all of it's horrible handmaid's tale dystopia, and Trump, being a felon, is a bizarre pick as a President anyway as being a criminal ought to exclude him from running in the first place but--

All right, I'm genuinely interested in the reasoning behind why people would support him. I almost definitely won't wind up agreeing, but I'm honestly interested in the reasoning behind it.

Well, I won't spend too much time on 2025, except to point out that trump has openly disavowed it, and Bill Maher has said that it seems obvious he's telling the truth on that much at least.

And I won't get into why people support him. Too broad a topic and I don't want to be fighting off people telling me to kill myself for the next 12 hours.

But you asked about Why support a convicted Felon:

Because we watched the process of lawfare that led to him being given that status as "Felon". We watched 4 years of Piss and Russians, we watched 2 impeachments, one of which was done after he was out of office, we watched the irregularities in the trial, from time to location. We watched the... Hell, one step away from being a kangaroo court and the trumped up charges, and the delays designed by a politically motivated prosecutor and judge to attempt to impact his ability to campaign. And we, frankly, disagree with both the process as it stands, and the outcome.

Did people not support Nelson Mandela? He was a "criminal" too. NO, calm down hateanon, I am not saying "Trump is Mandela" I am pointing out that people vote for criminals if they believe they are innocent of any wrongdoing.

Why NOT vote for a prosecutor instead? I can't be bothered to dig through the internet for the Tulsi clip, but I'm sure you know the one. Just imagine I posted it here.

If that Illuminates anything, I'm happy to help.

If instead all you got from that was "Deranged trump cultist doesn't believe the obvious truth that is clear as day to my educated eyes" (sorry if I seem defensive, but if you're not going to try and make me defend myself, someone else is and I'm fucking TIRED of blind cheery "Maybe I can help them see my viewpoint" optimism.) then I would remind you that two groups of people watched the same Nicholas Sandman footage, and came away with the fixed and unshakable view that 1. The kid did nothing wrong or 2. The kid was shouting Build that wall and harassing a native American elder. It's maybe just time to accept that we live in two different realities, and both of us are sure that our own perceptions are facts while the others is delusion.

AYRT. Thanks for the civil and informative explanation! I appreciate it. I've got some thinking (and some research about the Trump's trial) to do but thank you!

Holy shit! ok. Cool no problem.

Was legitimately expecting to be in for another fight. Thank you!

Edited 2024-11-08 00:48 (UTC)

I actually think part of it is that he, for some reason, managed to delude people into thinking he's some sort of self-made underdog American dream type who's one of the guys. The way he talk like he has the vocabulary a d diction of a grade schooler probably helps to convey that image.

Well, just for me. No. I know he's a new york billionaire. I know he doesn't give the first shit about any american that doesn't have the name trump. But his self interest, his ego, as long as he has enough competent people around him is potentially more beneficial to those under educated peons you dislike so much. And he's marginally less slimy than MOST career politicians, and EVERY career politician on the left. I watched the left block him from running as a democrat because it was hillarys "Turn" due to what appears to be obvious snakeshit deals with Obama back in the day. I watched them fuck bernie for same. I watched them Fuck Tulsi for... you know what I don't even fucking know. If they'd ran with tulsi back in 2020, we'd be starting her 2nd term right now, and - her record on guns not withstanding - I'd be cheering her on right along side you lot.

Ah, yes, so helpful to the little people, stripping them of medical insurance, leaving the disabled to die, deporting anyone with a skin tone over peach, mass deregulation leading to the current e coli outbreak and listeria outbreaks... Nevermind every woman and girl out there or anyone with a uterus. But hey, you have a dick so far down your throat, you won't think of that until any woman you care about is dead because she had an unviable pregnancy and doctors couldn't do shit because a fetus is more important so BOTH end up dead.

I hope the leopards well and truly eat your face, and the face of every person you love, so completely thoroughly you come out this a broken man.

He's already having Stephen Miller prepare the denaturalization project for naturalized US citizens in 2025.

How is that beneficial?

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I absolutely hate Trump and Vance and Project 2025 and all of the gloating cult.

But some people who were on the fence voted for him because a.) they can't cope with rising prices and this always happens with incumbent administrations when the economy is perceived to be bad and b.) they are actually affected by illegal immigration in their local area (hotels full of jobless people, etc.)

I live in an affluent community and though I wince when I grocery shop these days, and I haven't even seen an undocumented immigrant standing outside the hardware store like I used to in the early 2000s, I have gay and trans friends and family members and am staunchly pro-choice and was disgusted by January 6th, so to me it's a no-brainer to vote for Kamala, but it's true that broke people vote for "the other guy". This happened with Bush Sr. too. One term.

But I do think a lot of people are sexist and/or racist, too. But I think even a generic whitey like Beshear would have had a tough time getting elected this year.

They're gonna love when prices skyrocket further from tariffs, then. /s

You shouldn't cast the first stone about gloating, you were planning on it if Harris was elected. Admit it. You had a post already written with words like end your fucking patriarchy, and suck it white guys. Come on, we're all frenemies here; you can admit it.

And that is part of why you lost. Because we're sick of that incessant moralizing.

Shut up, Nazi, and follow your leader.

I'm so glad men are suffering from a "epidemic of loneliness".

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You don't understand, they were supposed to be the ones in the right and the ones gloating over victory and telling everyone who disagreed to get out and die and please leave and all that shit. And Trump voters spoiled their little morality high they were planning on riding. How are they supposed to pretend to be the morally superior boss of us all if they can't even get a simple majority. They can't even wail "but the popular vote" this time, as if that ever meant anything. They were wrong, and they were beat, and they can't handle it. They never thought they ever could be wrong.

Wako stop talking to yourself.

This was about survival for a lot of us. I now have to decide if my home is safe anymore, and if it isn't, then I have to figure out how to move where it IS safe because I'm trans. I had to talk my just-as-trans partner out of killing himself when the results came in because we're both also disabled.

But all that matters to you is, "HAHA FUCK YOU PROGRESSIVES LET ME EAT MY OWN SHIT AND CALL IT AMBROSIA."

PEOPLE. ARE. GOING. TO. DIE. And you don't fucking care.

I think for some people, the ACAB has been so ingrained in their thoughts that every prosecutor is evil by default and every convicted felon is some innocent misunderstood little rebel who fights against the system.

This is definitely a troubling tendency society-wide. It's a given that corruption among cops is bad and that there are a lot of bad cops but you're right that a lot of people equate that to all cops are actually bad and we'd be better off without them when...

No, we do in fact need a viable law enforcement for society to function.

Yeah, a lot of people really don't get that while reforms are very necessary, abolishing any law enforcement is suicide.

A lot of cops are just people that wanted a civil service pension and a bi-weekly paycheck. They don't always give a shit about law and justice.

1) I think they just don't care, honestly. "Both sides are bad" + they believe democratic politicians are or should be equally guilty of the same things. To them, one happened to be convicted and the others got away with it. A prosecutor, in theory, would be part of the corrupt system and/or whatever conspiracy theories they believe in.

2) They're mad, so they vote for the guy who is mad at the same things and still saying he's going to break the things that are making them mad, without considering he has nothing and no plans to build back afterward. Trump 'gets it' - but if you ask them what he's going to do to realistically fix or change issues, they get vague and handwavey and don't really know, because there are no actual plans. They aren't voting for plans, is the point - they're literally voting for concepts of a plan, which cannot be bad, criticized, or picked apart and checked with logic because they don't really exist. He'll do 'something,' they're sure. If he has to break some rules to do that then maybe the rules are bad.

3) They don't believe the fascist thing and consider it hyperbole and dramatics because it is hard to believe that someone who kept almost no big promises the last time - where's the wall? wasn't he supposed to fix immigration? - around is going to turn around and change the face of the US. A lot of Trump votes are protest votes to tell the left 'fuck you,' not because they believe in the guy. Politics is a circus so you might as well elect the clown who hates all the same people you do.

Idk, does that make you like Trump voters more or less than before?

AYRT. It's not about hating more or less. It's about understanding the other side. To me, voting for Kamala was the obvious choice and so I'm trying to understand the thought processes and the reasons why people voted otherwise.

I mean for some, it was as simple as "people keep calling me a racist nazi for my hot takes and just-a-jokes and Trump is saying that we aren't. I'm not a racist nazi because those are Bad People and I might not be the best person but I'm not a Bad Person. /waves confederate flag because heritage, or something"

A lot of people vote on feelings.

nayrt but this was true of a few folks I knew in real life. I think they honestly didn't *get* their privilege (even when they were coming from a good place), or didn't look into what they called their heritage and just took whatever family told them at face value. But even among those folks, they didn't agree on every issue (assuming they looked at what both candidates were saying).

But it's hard to cast away stuff you've known all your life. Even those of us who made our own journeys (or maybe some didn't even have to do that, depending on various factors), there came that point where we had to admit there were things we didn't know, maybe things that were hurting other people while we carried on in our bubble. And maybe even question if we are good people if we can continue doing so once we know those unpleasant things. Which isn't easy, and takes courage and humility.

Sorry, I think I got a little off-topic.