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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2009-09-20 04:13 pm

[ SECRET POST #989 ]


⌈ Secret Post #989 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Star Wars]


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[Avatar]


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[One Piece]


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[Glee]


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[Sonny with a Chance]


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[DCU]


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[Perez Hilton]


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[gunnerkrigg court]


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[MGS4]


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[Katekyo Hitman Reborn!]


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[SPN]


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[Scandinavia and the World]


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[China Miéville]


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[Pirates of the Caribbean]


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[Supernatural]


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[WWE]


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[SPN]


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[Persona 4]


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[SPN]


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[Boondock Saints]


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[The Path]


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[The Black Keys]


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[Perez Hilton]


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[Black Jewels Trilogy by Anne Bishop]


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[Pandora Hearts]


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[Pokemon]


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[Metalocalypse]


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[Hetalia]


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[SPN]


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[Patrick Swayze/Queer As Folk]


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[Roar]


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[Guilty Gear]


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[Hetalia]


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[Dexter]


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[Merlin]


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[Glee]


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[Metal Gear Ac!d]


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[Ace Attorney]


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[Lupin III]


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[Watchmen]


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[Juno]


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[Greek]


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[AWZ]


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[Darker than Black]


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[The Crow]


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[A Song of Ice and Fire]


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[Eyeshield 21]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 19 pages, 460 secrets from Secret Submission Post #142.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ], [ 1 2 3 4 - doing it wrong ], [ 1 2 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

[identity profile] fscom.livejournal.com 2009-09-20 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
107. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/allsecretshere/feminist.jpg

[identity profile] skelody.livejournal.com 2009-09-20 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Mentioning feminism is an attention-seeking tactic?

Is it effective

[identity profile] muffinman-owns.livejournal.com 2009-09-20 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
This. So. Much.

Along with that, the way that girls define the word "feminist" these days is ridiculous.
I will not free bleed on my sheets and clothes, I will not judge those women who wish to stay at home and be mothers, and I will not say that little girls are being targeted by sexist books like Twilight, and I will not argue that a Muslim woman is being oppressed in the US because she chooses to wear her headscarf.
I also will not support lowering the standards for such jobs as firefighting for women(If you can't carry my ass out of a fucking burning building, you should not be a firefighter. Man or woman. Sorry.).


/rant over.
Return to your daily scheduled programming.

[identity profile] skelody.livejournal.com 2009-09-20 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Feminism: belief in the equitable treatment of people regardless of sex or gender.

That's the core concept. There may be disagreements about its application, but that's the unifying theme.

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[identity profile] snowdevil-crow.livejournal.com 2009-09-20 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
This this this.

[identity profile] oldstarnewshine.livejournal.com 2009-09-20 09:27 pm (UTC)(link)
This. Thank you.

[identity profile] euphonious-glow.livejournal.com 2009-09-21 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
Feminism means a lot of things. It's about acknowledging that things are still not equal between the sexes, even in the US and other relatively free countries. Lowering the standards for something like firefighting isn't feminist, so I have no idea how you got that idea. I'm a feminist, but I believe men can be feminists too. It's about recognizing that there are systems of oppression in place even in places like the US, and trying to make things better for a group of people who have typically been downtrodden by society. I'm sorry you've acquired a negative view of feminism, but it really is something that every egalitarian-minded person should support. But it also means recognizing that women still have obstacles we have to face. And it's terribly naive to believe that women are completely equal and have nothing left to fight for.

[identity profile] cyren-2132.livejournal.com 2009-09-21 06:23 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with you so hard on this one.

[identity profile] bamf-girl.livejournal.com 2009-09-21 08:23 am (UTC)(link)
God, this. (And I don't think your use of "feminazi" was misplaced, but hey, that's me.)

[identity profile] zanzou-chan.livejournal.com 2009-09-20 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that's likely a byproduct of most/a lot of people, including women, don't actually understand wtf feminism is. Note: it's not about putting men down.

[identity profile] muffinman-owns.livejournal.com 2009-09-20 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed.

(Anonymous) 2009-09-20 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for your thoughts. I'll never mention feminism again, because people might pay attention to discussions about sexism or gender equality. That would be unthinkable.

not op

(Anonymous) 2009-09-20 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
The point, you missed it.

[identity profile] clarice.livejournal.com 2009-09-20 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Usually it's someone entirely missing the point, but I fully understand people, especially young people, who feel conflicted about the fact that very unfeminist things turn them on. For those who haven't quite got to the point of understanding that fantasy and fiction don't have to relate to your real-life convictions, liking non-con, dub-con, teacher/student, rape, etc, in fanfic can be upsetting. (Or just liking some ditzy, anti-feminist character. Whatever. Some of my favorite fictional pairings are woefully retrograde.)
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[personal profile] thene 2009-09-20 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Especially online, some supposedly 'radical' feminists do preach exactly that, though - purity in thought and deed, etc. But online radical feminism is a cult, end of.
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(Anonymous) 2009-09-20 10:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I always figure they're saying "I wish people would stop calling me a misogynist just because I find such and such a character annoying and obnoxious and therefore don't like her."

[identity profile] make-light.livejournal.com 2009-09-20 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
And the "attention" the secret grabs isn't too great either.

[identity profile] miss_prince.livejournal.com 2009-09-20 09:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I do see it misapplied -- having rape fantasies does not make you a bad feminist -- but I only really see the word "feminist" in a secret as being attention-seeking when it's baiting us: "Secret because omg the feminists would lynch me" is pretty much guaranteed to start some wank. Much like this secret, actually :B

THAT SAID the man-hating, homemaker-hating, be-the-one-type-of-woman-I-define sort of feminist is a straw man. I'm sure there are people out there with that view, because there are crazies in every group, but suggesting they are the majority of the feminist movement is just wrong, and it ends up being an attempt to discredit the movement as a whole, which continues to strive for worthy causes -- shelters and help for battered women, increasing awareness about rape, fighting against sexism in the workplace and the glass ceiling, even down to (since this is FANDOM secrets) encouraging more fully realized female characters in fiction. It's the "feminist" movement because it's about bringing women up to a level of power that men have always enjoyed, and the struggle is far from over.

I see more definition!fail about feminism from people who DON'T consider themselves feminists than from people who do.

[identity profile] make-light.livejournal.com 2009-09-20 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
This! <3

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[identity profile] hey-feygele.livejournal.com 2009-09-20 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Weirdly, most of those secrets don't seem to me to be quite so intentionally attention-seeking as this secret.

Not that I think seeking attention is necessarily bad. A broader audience often brings better discussion.

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[identity profile] arcadiaego.livejournal.com 2009-09-21 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
If you skip them, how do you know what the arguments they contain are? Or do you just automatically assume that because it uses the word 'feminist' the secret must be invalid?

(Anonymous) 2009-09-21 04:37 am (UTC)(link)
And thank you, muffinman_owns, for being such a complete asshole in this thread.

Missing the point ENTIRELY...

[identity profile] diabolicalfiend.livejournal.com 2009-09-21 12:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm, I misread 'skip' as 'ship' which is interesting. Do people ship secrets?

(Anonymous) 2009-09-21 06:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Taking that logic to it's ultimate conclusion, the OP will never see the responses to this secret.