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I think RPF is creepy and people who partake have tinhat and stalker vibes.

(I would never say this to anyone. Let them all have their fun, I just judge silently to myself. Hence secret.)

[(Anonymous)]

I find there are two camps of RPF types

one camp is the people who are like 'this is totally made up I know nothing about these actors, these are fictional characters having adventures in a loosely IRL based setting to me lol, make the band members kiss' .... and the other camp is ''''concerned with accuracy'''' and will bother the first camp about how what so and so said in chapter 2 is ''OOC'' to some interview on some specific date 5 years ago

One is much more tinhat and creepy than the other.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

+2 so much.

[(Anonymous)]

Genuinely, good job keeping that to yourself. A+

[(Anonymous)]

I used to feel the same way, but I'm not creeped out by RPF in general anymore. I find that public figures, celebrities, cults of personality, whatever you want to call them, offer fictional projections of who they are to us anyway. We do not know these people. We cannot portray them with 100% accuracy. Our opinions of who they are should not matter ultimately.

I don't think RPF transformative works are stalker-like in and of themselves. It's fiction writing, which is usually more about the projection of the authors than the characters in the stories anyway. People who harass and bash celebrities on social media are far worse and more likely to cause real harm, IMO.

That said, NGL, I'm still creeped out by true crime as a fandom. I don't want to judge the fans, I truly don't, but that is THE fandom that I don't get. Maybe we all have that one ick we just can't reconcile with?

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree about celebrities and co. giving off fake personalities as a whole. It sounds like a weird excuse that enforces the kind of dehumanization RPF does as a whole, imo.

I also disagree entirely that fiction writing means self-insterting yourself as a rule. That's just not true.
And while I agree that outright bashers are worse, there is a lot of overlap between the more deluded RPFers that harass celebrities. Gaylors for example.

[(Anonymous)]

Agree to disagree then. Storytelling is not dehumanization. Attacking people is.

If RPF is creepy to you, that's fine. Don't read it. I used to feel the same way, and I won't pretend my current point of view isn't selfish, but I prioritize censorship in written text being avoided at all costs. Nothing good can come of it and, admittedly, I have very little sympathy for rich and famous people, so, I don't care about their feelings as far as fanfiction goes, but fuck anyone who attacks them directly, verbal or otherwise.

I'm not saying I'm right. It is what it is.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Okay. We'll have to agree to disagree then. But I never said anything about censorship or your opinions being selfish? Nor did I say storytelling was dehumanizing, just that every public encounter any famous person has is not a stunt or a character they're playing. Reducing anyones person to an act is what is dehumanizing, not writing fic about it. Just like a random person in the street, or you or me, might behave differently in with our co-workers than with our family. It's not fake, or an act in any way, it's just a different relationship.
I don't read RPF, but I don't try to stop people either. There is a middle ground. I'm sorry for the confusion.

[(Anonymous)]

It's all good. I only meant to explain my point of view further regarding censorship, etc. My intention wasn't to put words in your mouth. I think your point of view is pretty grounded and reasonable. Mine has just shifted over the years. Thanks for the conversation.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Of course! Same to you, any time.

[(Anonymous)]

I got really into RPF when depressed and disillusioned by the world for a few years and came very, very close to that second camp, though I had misgivings about participating openly. I can speak from experience when I say that being... like that... is often a sign that something in one's life has gone horribly wrong. I still do RPF from time to time but I'm a lot less Serious about it in that way and I cannot overstate how much better it feels when I'm not obsessive and bad-weird about it. It's more like I'm basing a character off of a real person (think the Beatles cartoons and movies) than I am doing paparazzi-level stalking "for accuracy".

Which is to say that you're onto something, but yeah this is not a statement you make with your identity attached.

[(Anonymous)]

I think this was supposed to be a response to me and not OP. But yeah I get what you mean.

In bandom in general I find it to be a lot of one type and a lot of the other type mostly because what else is there to write fic about, right? I have dabbled in the first type - as RPF comedy fics - and people comment going like "haha great reference to whatever thing that came up in some interview" and I was like uh, well, I had absolutely no idea that was a thing. I am making everything up about these people based on their fictional personas. I don't know anything about them! They are basically cartoons.

[(Anonymous)]

For me it's the 'friends don't act like this!!!!' and it's just a regular hug between cast members or them being professionally courteous. It's just so weird to me how people will over-read and project so much onto famous strangers, and it's not just the shippy RPF people that do this, I see it with people insisting that a pair of actors are the most bff's to ever bff and it's like, you guys know they're co-workers right? Of course they're being friendly but that doesn't mean best friend 5eva, yet that's what it gets taken as.

It's all weird and I do not like the over-projection on actors and their relationships in general.

[(Anonymous)]

There's also a whole branch of RPF where people take, idk, boy band members and put them in magical fantasy space war AUs and it has nothing to do with cast interactions or stalking at all. The pure fictional RPF I find is way less creepy.

[dani_phantasma]

I was actually thinking about my feelings on this before this went up and honestly it depends how discreet they are for me to actually JUDGE. Like i judge the openly parasocial ones who harass but people who do it quietly in a corner of the net? Ehhh idc really

Also i mind even less when it's like... writing about the personas of say wrestlers or singers - like as characters because it's a persona they're putting on and not.. them. and also if the plot is something wild and out there with the persona-as a character versions? well that can barely be considered 'real-person- imo I recall once seeing a fic where the 'characters' of guys in a band were space pirates and i thought it was almost kinda funny and cute.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, wrestlers exist in kayfabe, they have scripts and characters written and given to them just like any other actor. People do get confused by this more often than not for some reason though. Like I remember when Rhea and Dom had their romance someone was shocked because they both had SO's irl, it had to be explained to them that Demi Bennett was getting married but Rhea Ripley was not. Some people just don't see the line, it was so strange.

[(Anonymous)]

I like some RPF, and I... don't really agree?

Tinhatters and stalkers absolutely exist, but half of RPF I see plays with how actors, celebs, and musicians have character-like PR image.

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree but I have been in fandoms with RPF, both big and small. Most writers/readers know that it's fiction and it's harmless to indulge in one's imaginations.

But I understand why it comes off creepy and weird. And I have seen how it can be a part of the culture of overinvested fans/tinhatters, so they don't make it easy to defend RPF.

[(Anonymous)]

I've been in a lot of different fandoms including RPF. And yes, some fans are extremely parasocial and stalkery, but it applies both to RPF and not.
Saying this, I am really creeped out by Celebrity/reader fics

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're missing out. I really enjoyed The Social Network, Hidden Figures, Apollo 13, Unstoppable, Zodiac, Titanic, American Crime Story: The People v. O.J. Simpson, Band of Brothers, From Earth to the Moon, All the President's Men, and Spotlight, among others. I liked Bonnie and Clyde, Moneyball, Erin Brockovich, Almost Famous, Catch Me If You Can, Glory, The Imitation Game, The Blind Side, and some of Mindhunter well enough. And, I hear The Crown, Hamilton, and Chernobyl are pretty good too.

But if you find RP fanfic creepy, this would probably be much worse since not only are all of them are about real people and contain at least some fiction (some a lot more than others), but they reached a much wider audience, a lot of that audience either believed all of the story was true or didn't know which parts were made up, and all kinds of people got paid for each of them.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't mind RPF so much, my issue is when the author goes heavy into kink content, then doesn't lock the work on Ao3. Like, what if the person the story is about finds that? I know if it was me I'd be extremely disturbed.