[ SECRET POST #7031 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #7031 ⌋

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[Orange is the New Black, Supergirl, The 100, Glee, Once Upon a Time, Korra/sequel to Avatar the last Airbender, Adventure Time, Camilla the webseries and Undertale]



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Comments

[fscom]

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Transcript by OP

[fscom]

The best thing about Fanfiction.net, which I dearly wish AO3 had adopted when they spun off from it, is it has separate sections for crossover and non crossover fics. It just makes it so much easier to me.

[(Anonymous)]

...? You can filter for or against crossovers. ...?

[(Anonymous)]

Not OP but AO3 is more irritating to filter out the crossovers. You have to filter out the tag crossover but also filter out the fandoms that might be crossed over because some people tag one way but not the other and it's just... annoying.

[kaijinscendre]

Can't you just use this?

[pengilly]

That part is true, but the issue is it's more difficult to filter for a specific crossover that solely includes those fandoms.

I've practically given up trying to find Legend of Zelda/Sonic crossovers, because 90% of the results are those monster one-shot fic collections, or Smash Bros fics where Sonic is only tagged because he says something snarky to another character, and Link stands there with his sword.

Not something cool like the whole gang teaming up to take down the combined forces of Ganon and Eggman, or Sonic and Zelda dating in a coffee shop AU. Makes me want to tear my hair out, because even when I use the exclude function to remove the most common "invader" fandoms, the results are still full of not-Sonic-and-Zelda centered crossovers.

Click into the Crossovers section for a fandom on FF.net, and see how it compares. You won't regret it.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes! I would love a crossover page in the same way you can click on the category pages for Anime, books, etc fanfiction on AO3.
Yes you can use the filter system, and with it you get the annoyance of every asshole who isn't using crossovers for actual crossovers - but to store their five million one sentence 'fanfic' among the shopping list of fandoms.

Obligatory AO3 is the best fanfiction site ever in every other regard, but it's still the one thing I miss from FFnet.

[(Anonymous)]

AO3 is not a FFN spin-off

[(Anonymous)]

I laughed at my reaction to reading that. I was all offended like a scandalized victorian aunt.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it is.

[(Anonymous)]

How so?

[(Anonymous)]

It really isn't, though. The purge at ff.net was only one of many issues that spurred the effort to build a multi-fandom archive. Sites were going dark without warning because hosts were getting served with takedown notices. If you read about the OTW, you'll learn a lot about what went on and how AO3 is only a part of the greater effort to protect fan creators and their work. This was always more about preserving and protecting what was written against copyright holders and far less about smut is bad, mmmkay.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol, that was my reaction exactly.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for the clarification. That part felt incorrect.

[(Anonymous)]

I’m sorry that you don’t know how to build a custom filter list for your fandoms. You would have been really screwed back in the days before AO3. The many fic archives that went dark without warning and are the actual inspiration for AO3 would have been impossible for you to use.

[iff_and_xor]

You know, I’m not sure I know how to do this. Is it done through some kind of added script or browser extension? Or do you just have a very, very long bit you manually inject into the URL?

[(Anonymous)]

I think there are browser extensions that will do it. I wrote mine in a text file that I just copy and paste. It’s much easier to navigate fandoms that have a lot of different media types. The ff.net crossover section wouldn’t work for a lot of fandoms because you would have to know which of the dozens of possibilities the author chose as the primary fandom. And for many the fic would automatically be a crossover because it blends parts from two or more canon sources within the same universe. An example of that is Rogue from the X-Men; it’s common to blend traits and abilities from the comics, the 90s cartoon, and the original trilogy movies. IIRC, ff.net only lets the author choose two fandoms for crossovers so that would make it even harder to find stuff.

[(Anonymous)]

You are being snarky when not actually understanding the secret. They want to look at a non fandom specific page for crossovers. Or at least thats what people seem to want when this topic comes up.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it’s the line about AO3 spinning off from ff.net that’s rankling some people.

[pengilly]

You're not very bright, are you?

It took me a half hour PLUS (and getting rate limited) to make an exclusion list that would filter out every fandom that would get in the way of the Sonic/Zelda crossovers I wanted to see. Fanfiction.net simply required clicking on two or three filters, and you have a page dedicated to that crossover.

The whole reason AO3 is elevated above other sites in fandom spaces, and is seen as better than FFN and the predecessors (that had even more bare-bones filtering than FFN) is that it allows you to filter for your preferred fic, and get very specific about it.

Yet still has this huge blind spot compared to the "outdated" Fanfiction.net. With hidden search operators, you can get as hyper-specific as filtering for fics that only contain one relationship tag. Or even fics that only have two specific words in the summary. Yet you cannot filter for fics that only have two specific fandoms; you have to exclude them one by one. As I had to do here.

OP brought up a simple point of reference, which somehow managed to go completely over your head because you couldn't stop white knighting long enough to look at where OP was coming from.

Crossovers with only Sonic and Zelda-related fandoms

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, I had been wondering about that weird parenthetical about being a FFN spin-off, but I see now that it was not really an aside at all, was it?

[(Anonymous)]

I know exactly what OP meant. And I’m bright enough to string the queries together. They want a point and click option that cannot be retroactively applied on AO3 and cannot work for countless fandoms going forward. Their best course of action is learning how to use the tools they have (which is incredibly simple and the only time consuming part is typing it all out and even that is measured in minutes instead of hours) or wishing for an AI tool that will build the query for them. I should have been kinder in my comment but then so should you. My focus was more on the bullshit claim that AO3 is a spinoff of ff.net because it isn’t and I do think that people like OP who can’t understand are making it more difficult for themselves to understand how to use AO3 because they don’t understand what AO3 really is at the fundamental level. AO3 isn’t a fic reading site. It’s an archive and you can read the entries on it. There is a huge difference between those two. But until another fic reading site comes along, fans will continue to use AO3 as a reading site while struggling because they don’t know what an archive is or how to use one.

[(Anonymous)]

OP is right and right to say it. The problem is that AO3 treats true crossovers and multi-chapter/multi-fandom compilations as the same.

I wonder if AO3 could change the Fandom entry field to require authors to enter a mandatory Primary fandom for a work, which would then open to allow entry of additional fandoms as required. It might help convince authors of compilations to use Collections or Series instead of multi-chapter fics of unrelated fandoms.

[(Anonymous)]

t might help convince authors of compilations to use Collections or Series instead of multi-chapter fics of unrelated fandoms.

Is that what OP means? I completely agree with them if that's the case, because yeah, I get irritated with those.

[amalthia]

At this point, I think using a "Crossover" additional tag may work too. Probably easier to setup for authors writing true crossovers.