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[ SECRET POST #1174 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1174 ⌋

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You didn't have the "courage to speak up" about your racism? Somehow I think that phrase is usually used for people who are actually being oppressed, not people who are being stifled in their ability to oppress others.

Racism: "We need to send the n***** back to Africa to save our white nation"
Not racism: "Society is more accepting of women being overweight when they're African-American"

Learn the difference.

No, you learn the difference. Did you see that comment that was being replied to?

OH, but she's black! That makes it ALL OKAY.

Reverse racism FTW.

Those words aren't completely fucking ignorant? Those words aren't implying that white women have it soooo hard, damn those black people for getting it easy?

Ignorant, maybe. But there's an enormous gulf between "believing there to be such a thing as reverse racism" and, say, "We would have been so much better off if Hitler won the war."

So we should applaud subversive racism, since at least it's not being outright about it?

It's a pretty sad situation when someone deserves a pat on the back for being racist, because hey, they're not lynching anyone are they?

I wasn't saying we should applaud anyone, just that we shouldn't accuse people of racism when it isn't there.

Look. I get disgusted when freepers call Obama an "affirmative action" president. I acknowledge that whites have it much better than people of color almost everywhere in the world. But griping about unfair double standards which harm whites and don't benefit PoCs is not racism. It's not even close.

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meran-flash.livejournal.com - 2010-03-23 23:31 (UTC) - Expand

Racism: "Socety is more accepting of black women being overweight. OH MY GOOOOOD WHAT ABOUT THE WHITE PEOPLE THIS IS TOTALLY RACIST U GUYZ"

"Society is more accepting of women being overweight when they're African-American"

In what fucking universe?

See, you pointing fingers and calling me names is the reason why I haven't spoken up. I just don't want to deal with that immaturity, kthx.

I don't give a crap about how much someone weighs, no matter what race. It isn't up to me to tell someone how they should deal with their body. My point is that the media tip-toes around weight when it comes to non-white celebrities. Gabourey Sidibe is gorgeous, yet it's OK to call Kate Winslet chubby. Something doesn't compute when I see stuff like that!

With all that said, I don't dislike Gabourey Sidibe (or any other overweight actress who happens to be non-white) one bit. My criticism lies within the media and their double standards. Political correctness does NOT equal racial tolerance.

You're agreeing with a person using the words "reverse racism." Are you aware of the connotation of those words? Do you know the context of their use?

You're siding with someone who is using words that are frequently used to demean POCs who achieve something, used to accuse their success of being falsely manufactured and not deserved. Those words are used to imply that said POC couldn't possibly have accomplished it on their own.

You might have some form of ration behind what you're saying, but when you stand next to a person using terms that are loaded with a history of use to demean people, you look an awful lot like you're standing up for a bigot.

I'm not even familiar with who this person is, but forget aesthetics, she looks unhealthy and obese to me. :| If for whatever politically correct reason, whether it's for fear of disrespecting people who are overweight or POCs, people are encouraging that, then it's not doing her or anyone else any favors.

And if the media does indeed tiptoe around any criticism of POCs (even when it's a health concern) then no wonder they have to deal with accusations about falsely manufactured success. I think discussing/confronting the issue brought up here's one way to address that problem.

I'm not even familiar with who this person is, but forget aesthetics, she looks unhealthy and obese to me. :| If for whatever politically correct reason, whether it's for fear of disrespecting people who are overweight or POCs, people are encouraging that, then it's not doing her or anyone else any favors.

Do you think she's unaware of her body size? Whatever "encouragement" she's getting for her size probably doesn't even remotely CLOSE to balancing out the pressure she's been put under from all quarters, both personally directed at her and from the media in general to fat people in general, to lose weight over the course of her life. Seriously. Besides, you know what? Her weight? Nobody's business but her own. Her weight is not an "issue" that needs to be "addressed" by people in general.

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(Anonymous) - 2010-03-24 01:36 (UTC) - Expand

So it's completely impossible for non-whites to be racist? Is that what you're conveying? Reverse racism, in my opinion, is still racism. That's how I see it. I don't think it demeans the people who have fought/have been fighting this issue at all. In fact, I believe it acknowledges and points out how anyone can display ignorance, no matter who you are.

Many terrible -isms comes in all sizes, shapes, genders, and yes, colors.

Plus, "Reverse racism FTW" came across as completely sarcastic to me. I wouldn't be agreeing with something like that if I thought the original commenter was serious.

Reverse racism, in my opinion, is still racism.

Well, your opinion is great but there are people out there who actually make a study of prejudice. You could try reading up about it on this thing we call the internet.

So it's completely impossible for non-whites to be racist?

Yes, at least in most countries today.

Racism is prejudice + power.

What's POC? I mean, I know you mean someone who is non-white but what do the letters stand for?

No matter who is doing it, it's racism. There's no such thing as 'reverse' racism. That gives the impression that it's negative racism (like a negative number). Wouldn't that just be NON-racism?

Onto the core of the matter: I agree that the term is used to demean minorities or because they grow suspicious. I'm not discussing the race here, so much as the PCness. Simply put, when talking about or describing someone who falls in the minority group, people will tiptoe and be extra PC about what they say. Even when they aren't talking about the skin color or race, it's like people are SO scared they'll upset an entire culture that they're afraid to say anything.

That's just a fact. Personally, I think political-correctness at all is just another form of Newspeak and therefore should be abolished no matter who or what the hell you're saying. You're going to upset SOMEBODY no matter what you do (example, the more PC someone is, the more upset I am) so why even try to walk on eggshells? I'm not saying be antagonistic and insulting, throwing out racial slurs and such. Just be honest.

I am not educated enough in this matter to say what I wish I could here. Like I said above, there's a field of study on these issues - one you're clearly not familiar with. And just like I can't exactly go around explaining from the ground up any of those other subjects I've been trying to study, like art or computers, to someone with no idea what the field even entails, I don't approach being capable of explaining this the way it deserves. Nor am I even properly educated in it, but google provides links to blogs that are.

If a white person in america is somehow being prejudiced against, by an academic definition of racism, they are not being a victim of racism. Racism is not the act of a single bigot; it's a societal force, an institution.

Trying to be conscientious and not manage to seriously offend and genuinely hurt people isn't the same as stifling your own speech. It's not honesty to not care about whether or not you hurt someone's feelings with your words. It's being an asshole, at the very least. And hey, some people are happy as assholes.

But personally, I like to remember that I didn't like it when male customers who called into my tech support asked me for a "real tech support agent" when I picked up the phone because I have a female voice and name. I sure don't like hearing that queer people are degenerate perverts. And neither of those examples are hurtful because they're "honest" - they're hurtful because they're kicking someone who is already down and knows they are. They're a reminder that in the eyes of someone with more privilege, my feelings not only don't deserve to be watched out for, you get bonus points if you get skidmarks when you run them over for no reason other than you can.

When people genuinely moderate their speech to consider that they might be contributing to marginalizing people who are already marginalized by society in some way, they aren't trying to be dishonest. They're remembering that the words they're avoiding using, the implications they're trying to keep out of their speech are loaded with meanings that can hurt someone - and can't hurt them.

But if being an asshole works for you, hey. Good thing for you that you have the privilege that lets that be an option.

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preosmo.livejournal.com - 2010-03-24 06:57 (UTC) - Expand

That's just a fact. Personally, I think political-correctness at all is just another form of Newspeak and therefore should be abolished no matter who or what the hell you're saying.

Laughing my ass OFF.

lol yeah. People are ALWAYS trying REAL HARD to preserve the feelings of PoC.

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preosmo.livejournal.com - 2010-03-25 09:00 (UTC) - Expand

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Or maybe it has something to do with the fact that she's a teenager who is new to the game and likely will never be cast as anything significant again, and Kate Winslet is both a woman and old hat, and thus much fairer game in their eyes?

Gabby is 26 and has another film coming out this year, and a TV series in production.

Because Kate Winslet is the only slender white woman who is called chubby, and Gabourey Sidibe is the only woman of color whose size is treated as less of an issue.

Yes, the original "reverse racism" comment was inappropriate and uncalled for. That does not mean that there isn't a valid point to be made about the way the media treats white women and women of color with regard to weight/body shape. Jessica Simpson is fat, but Queen Latifa is shapely? There are certainly different standards being applied.

In response to the original secret, though: I think Gabby Sidibe is a great role model for young women in general. She is happy, funny, talented, successful, and seems to have a really healthy self-image. That's great. All young women should strive for those goals. I wouldn't encourage any young women (whether they are her size or not) to *not* lead a healthy lifestyle because they think she is unhealthy but happy, etc. However, I don't think her size is the only aspect of her person worth noting.

Jessica Simpson is fat, but Queen Latifa is shapely? There are certainly different standards being applied.

Well, yeah. The different standards is that white women are expected to be as attractive as possible whereas black women have already been written off by society's racist standards of beauty.

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penumbra.livejournal.com - 2010-03-25 00:15 (UTC) - Expand

Think about this: Reverse the bodies and careers of Kate Winslet and Gabourey Sidibe.

Do you think that Kate Winslet with Gabourey Sidibe's body would have a better chance at getting big and relevant roles after being in Precious?

I've been thinking about this, and I honestly have no idea. I don't know what that says about me and my views about race/society/privelidge/the entertainment industry, but I think both crazy talented and that should count for a hell of a lot more than body size.

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