[ SECRET POST #1271 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1271 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

No mudkips, don't worry.

Secrets Left to Post: 25 pages, 608 secrets from Secret Submission Post #182.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - doing it wrong ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[hako-neko.livejournal.com]

Don't forget about Wolverine being cancelled and not appearing in any comics anymore after that recent trainwreck of a movie.

[(Anonymous)]

Watching "Where No Fan Has Gone Before" always cheers me up.

[loquaciousambie.livejournal.com]

Pat, this is literally one of the last places I would have expected to see you. You know, figuratively. Internet-see-you. You're kind of everywhere, aren't you?

[cordelia-gray.livejournal.com]

I can know I have a citation for this, but I have to go offline RN. If interested, I will come back in a few hours with info? My recollection is that she's not all OMG, YOU'RE RAEPING MY CHILDRENS! like some, but more sort of concerned about it.

There is a list somewhere produced as a result of some of the recent wank on this subject, of a whole bunch of authors and their feelings about fanfic, I just don't have time to track it down right this moment.

[hako-neko.livejournal.com]

The Marvel fandom's survival is dependant on one pairing?

[cordelia-gray.livejournal.com]

see below - have to bail, will come back with info later if interested :)

[thornblossom.livejournal.com]

BUT YOUR ICON IS FREAKING ADORABLE!

[thene]

My point was that you are absolutely NOT confined to only ever writing stories in which you ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE a male protagonist and anyone who claims they are is accomplishing misogyny.

[hako-neko.livejournal.com]

I fucking LOL'd.

[4-and-20.livejournal.com]

This reminds me of a couple of weeks ago in the lead up to the soccer when the news spent all of 30 seconds reporting on how our women’s soccer team won the goddamn Asian Cup and then proceeded to spend like five minutes talking about the men’s TRAINING session for the fucking world cup we never stood a chance in reaching the finals for. What the fuck.

[(Anonymous)]

Bro, I was a nobody for like 10 years. Granted, during much of that time I was utter shit, but still- not exactly BNF material.

Things that I found turned around my message box overnight:
- Getting into an actual active fandom
- Hanging out at said fandom's hub (often hard to find, I know)
- Joining DA Group for said fandom
- Drawing and drawing and drawing like a maniac

Those people who get like a ton of faves on crap are probably people who comment/fave like their lives depend on it. They're probably highly social, so friends just sort of get drawn to them and +fav. Just put yourself out there more, recognition will come- there's always someone who will like what you do.

[hako-neko.livejournal.com]

DA is moreso about Socializing. Groups and clubs are a good way to have your art noticed. Also, it helps to ask your friends for their thoughts on your work.

Sadly, the weirder fandoms will attract the most attention. You have to work for attention in the good stuff. Or you know, just draw Hetalia or Naruto. Or shitty Star Wars flash videos like me.

[thene]

As a result, they tend toward slightly different experiences, and these experiences colour their outlooks on life, and consequently the way they think.

[citation needed]

Srsly; the differences among men and women are far greater than the differences between men and women. There is such huge variety of experience, and outlook, and thoughts, in the human race that claiming that men and women are 'different' is totally obscuring the forest for the trees. Women have vastly differing public lives and vastly differing inner lives so saying that there's some sense in which men are just 'different' from women and therefore it's okay to only write male protagonists is reductionist in the extreme.

I also want to know what you mean by 'our' culture. Again, you are assuming way less variety than there really is in terms of gender roles and gender socialisation. I am an immigrant and the place I live in currently is far more stringent about gender than the place where I last lived.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, jfc. Get over it, OP. Any time I see secrets about how someone was "driven out of" a fandom, my ass begins to twitch. One single person does not "drive" another individual out of a fandom. Chances are, you were more than responsible for some bullshit or other, and people saw you and your poor behaviour for what it was. It's just easier to direct your attention on blaming someone else, rather than a) taking responsibility for your own actions and growing up, and b) getting a fucking life and not caring so much about FANDOM that you're actually holding this kind of a grudge on someone who you probably only knew through the internet/fandom.

[silvertongue1.livejournal.com]

Sweet jeebus in a sugar bowl, TREASURE MOUNTAIN WAS MY LIFE. I don't think I would have continued down the computer games road without it.

[heyheyitsjane.livejournal.com]

JLASKNGENLVKEIGNLEASJKLEDJGKLENLKE

I wanna read it, OP!

[thene]

I'll admit I'm curious but at the same time I wouldn't want to trouble you as I am firmly in 'fic happens' camp - I don't think a creator's discomfort should stop people writing fic (so long as no one's stupid enough to mail it to them or anything). One of my fandoms is for a canon whose creator has said they don't want anyone to be posting fic online of their works; I don't agree with everything else said writer has ever said, so I don't feel obliged to agree to not post fic.

[(Anonymous)]

This comment, along with the beautiful painting in this secret, kind of took my breath away. I don't really know the Bible. But now I want to read about these two. Just - wow. Thanks.

[0o0f.livejournal.com]

Huh... D:

Well, thinking about it, I kinked on some strange things myself when I was younger.

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

Okay, okay, I was in the midst of editing my comment for clarity, but you responded first. Everything you're telling me here is something I already know, and your condescending tone is very irritating. Pretending that I am unaware of the fact that gender roles are different in different societies and that the differences between men and women are less than those between men and men and women and women is simply being obtuse.

so saying that there's some sense in which men are just 'different' from women and therefore it's okay to only write male protagonists is reductionist in the extreme

It is a good thing I said absolutely nothing remotely like that!

Anyway, here you go:

EDIT to add that, like the woman in your quote, I am consistently praised by my male readership by how realistically I portray their gender. Obviously, this is accomplished by thinking of them as humans first, with the same needs and desires as any other human, but also the different expectations our culture has of them and how this affects their development, whether they choose to accept cultural norms or reject them outright.

You might be barking up the wrong tree here - you're talking to a feminist who believes the natural differences between men and women are so minimal as to be negligible, or broad useless stereotypes (I'm better at maths and sciences than the arts, I'm excellent at discerning visual/spatial relationships, I prefer action to romance, I like FPSs more than RPGs, football more than figure skating, cars more than clothes - and I believe this makes me a perfectly normal woman) but there is absolutely no question that our culture discriminates, and this leads men and women to have different experiences.

For example: my brother and I both bought Half-life 2 when it first came out. We both love the game - here is an example of a man and woman being, at their core, exactly the same. But when I walked into the EB to buy it, the man behind the counter asked me condescendingly if I was sure that what I wanted it and when I said yes, told me that my "boyfriend" would love it. When my brother bought it, he said only "really great game, huh?".

Different experiences. They colour our outlooks. This is important to bear in mind as a writer.

[herbarebones.livejournal.com]

OH MY GOD, I played this game at school in grade three and have been trying ever since then to remember what it was called. THANK YOU!

[0o0f.livejournal.com]

I'm listening to that song right now!

[tsurigamisama.livejournal.com]

I do the exact same thing! It works for me too, as long as I don't get carried away doing the fun stuff.

[pelespen.livejournal.com]

I always had so much love for Murdock, even as a little kid. With the new movie? OP, you are SO NOT ALONE. Yum.

[erthsfirefly.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure which is my favorite love story: these two in Spirited Away or Pazu and Sheeta in Castle in the Sky. Both are so freaking adorable. ^_^