[ SECRET POST #1271 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1271 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

No mudkips, don't worry.

Secrets Left to Post: 25 pages, 608 secrets from Secret Submission Post #182.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - doing it wrong ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Comments

[sara-rojo.livejournal.com]

I believe TVTropes calls it Hype Backlash...still, a good movie made of epic lines. Overrated, but good ^^

[sara-rojo.livejournal.com]

Titanic has changed me forever, I can't read those tow names together and NOT think of itXDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[skate-soar-fly.livejournal.com]

this is an awesome secret! =) *hugs*

[sara-rojo.livejournal.com]

I wish all these secret Twilight lovers grew a fucking backbone and just came out with it. Do they really think they'll lose friends for liking that? If you lose friends for such a ridiculous reason, they weren't your friends to begin with. I can't help but think they know it's shit but they still like it, which is the way in which you should like shitty things: knowing they're baaaaaaaaaaaaad but still enjoying them. A guilty self-aware pleasure.

Twilight is mysoginist crap, and stupidly bad-written, and it's disgustingly overrated, but it isn't the only thing that has those characteristics: you can be sure your friends will have something ridiculously tasteless they enjoy too xD (all of us do!)

[demiincarnate.livejournal.com]

?! No, I would say that it is NOT misogyny.
First of all, I never said that I CAN'T write about female protagonists - I said that I don't want to write stories about women. (That is, I want to write stories which necessitate male characters.) I certainly do write female characters, and even female protagonists. I just do so less often, out of personal preference.
Second of all, I don't see how it is hateful to women (this would be how I define misogyny) to not feature them as protagonists in my stories. I am not harming any real women by doing so. I am not even harming any fictional women by doing so - I am sparing them from being a character in one of my stories, because my stories rarely turn out to have happy endings. I would understand that it would be misogynist if I made all female characters flat or unrealistic, or relegated them to less important roles in society, or claimed they couldn't do the things men do, but I am not doing any of those things.
Third of all, I write what I want to write. I like to write stories about soldiers in 19th century wars, and about Nixon-era politicians. Main characters in these stories are not female by necessity. I like to write about the themes of fatherhood, of male friendship, of discrimination against male homosexuals. These are different from their female counterparts. The reasons WHY I prefer to write about these things are as moot as the reasons why I write at all. I do not have a moral obligation to write about things I do not want to.
About my comment: I do start with a male main character by default. I recognize that this is not necessarily the right thing to do, only what I prefer to do, and this is why I make an effort to change it. The reason I do not flip a coin, however, is because I prefer to come up with a plot first, and then decide on a character who would fit this plot. I choose the character design I find most inspiring; usually, I find female character designs uninspiring. This is not my choice, whether or not to be inspired.

[sara-rojo.livejournal.com]

I never realized I also did. I don't know if I should say 'thank you' or 'fuck you' for sucking out my sanityXD

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

I think what they are trying to say is that if you have a certain plot/storyline/setting in mind, sometimes it needs a certain sex character for that specific role.

That's how I read it. I'm a big fan of gender flips myself, but sometimes it just doesn't work. If you're writing about an organization that only allows men, as you said, like say the US Army Rangers in front-line combat, dude's gonna' have to be a man. Unless you are writing in an AU - in which case the US has reversed its rulings on women in combat, and thus necessitates a different American culture than the one that exists presently - or maybe in the future, at some point. Or perhaps a transgendered woman who isn't "out" yet, and can't ever admit to her true gender because they Army won't allow it. Or you could write a very similar story about a woman in Princess Patricia's Light Infantry - Canada's elite Army regiment, which does allow women in front-line combat. Either way, something's got to change. You're no longer writing about US Army Rangers of June 26th, 2010.

If you want to, he's gotta' be a dude. Sure it makes the US Army sexist, but it doesn't make the writer sexist. These are different things.

[0o0f.livejournal.com]

Normally I would be like "wtf, that's an abusive way to 'show affection,'" but this is Bowser and Peach we're talking about, and I can't take them seriously, so instead I'm like "lol aww".

Um yeah.

[crimsongypsy.livejournal.com]

Everyone else has said this but you should def post it!
I got inspired about the same thing and took the chance and posted my stuff and it was super well recieved. Have confidence in yourself :D

[demiincarnate.livejournal.com]

Thank you for agreeing with me! It's frankly sexist to claim a man's life and a woman's life are the same.

[frellingblonde.livejournal.com]

My car is the TARDIS! (It's a Beetle, y'see, and those are roomier on the inside than they appear to be on the outside) and everyone I know loves it. :D

+1

[sara-rojo.livejournal.com]

THIS. Hetalia fandom teaches me history ^^

OP

[(Anonymous)]

So... caring enough about fandom to hold a grudge against someone for deliberately making it uncomfortable for you to participate because she doesn't like what you ship = pathetic.

Caring enough about a secret on f!s to judge the personality of someone you've never met = perfectly acceptable.

Yeah, your argument holds a lot of weight there.

[ferricent.livejournal.com]

Oh god this is so surreal

[demiincarnate.livejournal.com]

Thank you. I like to write historical fiction about war and politics, myself. But even in situations where either a man or a woman can be featured, a man's story will be different from a woman's story, and I just tend to prefer the man's story.

[0o0f.livejournal.com]

I kinda ship Diego/Sid myself. I even inspired a friend to write fic!

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

Hah hah, as a feminist it's my goal to make them as similar as possible, but denying that in the real world societies discriminate is not only ignorant, it's harmful to the cause of equality :/

Plus, barring some biotechnological breakthrough, there's the basic biology to worry about. Much of the so-called "hardwired" brain differences are socialization, bunk, and humbug, but female still get pregnant, get periods, etc., and men get prostate cancer and erectile dysfunction. You want to write about a character who's had an abortion? Guess what! You're going to have to write about a person who is, at least biologically, female.

Our collective humanity it undeniable, but to deny the sexism present in our society is to deny everything feminism has accomplished :/ And to deny males their own unique experiences as a result of this sexism as well.

[crimsongypsy.livejournal.com]

oh the memories you just made flood back to me.
thos things creeped me out too!!

[(Anonymous)]

Good lord I'm sick of hearing this. We've been over this before, it's not going to stop, so shut up about it.

[bibliophile-bee.livejournal.com]

This isn't actually canon? I asked my mum if Jesus had a girlfriend when I was quite young and she said "Yes, Mary Magdalene." I mean, we are admittedly very far from a religious family, but still, my mom was teaching me her ships...

[(Anonymous)]

I think she's gorgeous, and she definitely seems like she could be bisexual.
I don't get all the vitriol directed towards her from Twilight haters, she seems pretty grounded about the whole thing and not afraid to criticize the series or it's fans. She's just very real, comfortable with herself, and yet vulnerable too. Less pretentious.
It makes her attractive to me.

[(Anonymous)]

has something to do with...*

Also I'm not saying it's a bad thing for people to spend a lot of time inside and on the Internet if that's what they prefer doing, but I do think it's healthier to find other things outside the Internet to get out of bed.

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

I'm growing to prefer the woman's story, myself. Fun to root for the underdog, and all that. Plus it's a story less often told. If that makes you a misogynist, I suppose I'm a misandrist, now. Alas!

[(Anonymous)]

You worded that much better than I did. (:

Re: Sad but true

[daisyham.livejournal.com]

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