[ SECRET POST #1353 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1353 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fearless-rabbit.livejournal.com]

Honey, your opinions still do and should matter. The point of social justice and whatnot is that your opinions aren't the only ones that matter. The worth of someone and their opinions has nothing to do with their race or orientation or sex or gender. You're lucky to have never suffered prejudice, but that doesn't make you less than someone that did. Your opinions on prejudice might not be as informed as people who have actually suffered it, but if you listen and do your best to understand, you can still have an informed opinion, and that informed opinion will definitely matter.

And don't feel bad about never being discriminated against. NOBODY should be discriminated against, that's the point. So look at your life, see that yeah, it's been impacted for the better by not being the target of prejudice. And that's not bad. That's what everybody should have, and you're in a good place to see how those things are important.

It's not about saying, ok let's discriminate against white people now. It's not about saying, hey, white people have these things that nobody else does, so let's take those things away. It's about seeing that EVERYBODY should have good things like not being a victim of prejudice. So turn around, and do your best to help people who don't have the good things that you have get them too. That's kind of the point.

[dethtoll.livejournal.com]

This post is awesome. I think any wanky SJ thread needs to have it pasted repeatedly.

[fearless-rabbit.livejournal.com]

awwww, thank you dearie <333

[dethtoll.livejournal.com]

Oh you're quite welcome.

[(Anonymous)]

Seconded.

[(Anonymous)]

this comment is awesome and you should feel awesome.

[aeonamber.livejournal.com]

I love you for this comment.

[(Anonymous)]

(disclaimer: I'm the young(ish) straight white male anon from a couple of posts up.)

This post is a lovely, wonderful dream. Out in the real world, though...

It's not about saying, hey, white people have these things that nobody else does, so let's take those things away.

The problem is, that's more often how it manifests. "You've never been a victim of prejudice? Well, let's fucking make you a victim of prejudice and see how you like it! THEN come back and talk to me about privilege!!one". Accurate or not, that's the key sentiment behind a lot of those sorts of comments - that you have no right talking about prejudice if you've never been a victim of it; and worse still, if you've never been a victim of it then you're obviously a privileged part of a system that endorses it. It's garbage. It's complete crap. But that's how it feels sometimes. It's an emotional response, and emotional responses simply don't result in rational discussions.

Or maybe that's my problem from start to finish - trying to rationalise something that's based entirely on emotional responses...

[(Anonymous)]

No, it's not how it usually manifests. That that is the way you (and the OP) seem to read says more about your attitudes than that of the activists.

- A white fan who usually feels plenty welcome because she actually LISTENS to other people

[(Anonymous)]

I've actively protested the "privileged" system (I think privileged is an overused term with a lot of unneeded weight attached to it, but I'll use it for lack of a better term). But, as soon as they learn I'm white, it's like "YOU'RE WHITE YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING GTFO". The OP wasn't very specific, I can't really tell what she means, but that's been my experience at some points.

[(Anonymous)]

If you're privileged and you don't do anything to start dismantling the system you live in that gives you privilege, aren't you kind of endorsing it through inaction?

[(Anonymous)]

I kind of hate this argument. I don't agree with the genocide in Darfur, or the military junta in Burma, or the hideously hateful GOP candidate in Delaware, but I'm broke and dependent and from New York and there isn't anything I can do about it.

[fearless-rabbit.livejournal.com]

I kinda understand where you're coming from. I'm white and cis, but I've had some experiences being the target of homophobia from people in my immediate family and I know what it's like to be so hurt and enraged that these people have no idea why what they're doing is having an effect on you and you can't suck it up and get over it. In my mind sometimes I do lump together straight people that aren't openly allies, and I feel really bad about it and know that I shouldn't be thinking this way but sometimes I still do.

Anger like that comes from being on the receiving end of prejudice, and there's often nothing that somebody can do to convince another person that they aren't the bad guy. And yeah, that does make it really hard to be an ally, if you've got someone yelling at you that you're part of the problem because you belong to X privileged group. But that person doesn't feel that way because they're just an asshole, they feel that way because they've been exposed to so much discrimination that expecting more discrimination has become a learned response.

Still, I believe that the best way to proceed is to do one's best to stop discrimination in whatever sphere of influence you have, and maybe that's silly dreamer talk but I'm not really a realist anyway. It's also not the OP's duty to flagellate herself for having privilege, and that's mostly what my post was about anyway.

[sir-stache.livejournal.com]

But that person doesn't feel that way because they're just an asshole, they feel that way because they've been exposed to so much discrimination that expecting more discrimination has become a learned response.

everything you've been saying has been awesome, but this in particular is YESSS

[(Anonymous)]

But that person doesn't feel that way because they're just an asshole, they feel that way because they've been exposed to so much discrimination that expecting more discrimination has become a learned response.

But that in itself is perpetuating the problem; how is (for example) the expectation that white guys are going to discriminate any less discriminatory than a white guy who discriminates? (That sentence was awful - sorry..) The presumption of discrimination is in itself a discriminatory act. And that's something I think both sides need to figure out. (I know I've been on both sides of that fence. I'm not proud of it, but that's the reality.)

[(Anonymous)]

you should join ontd_feminism, there are tons of us with a similar mindset over there and someone with your understanding of this material will be really welcome in the comm.

/shameless plug

[(Anonymous)]

bawwwwwwww. want me to call you a wahhhhhhhhhhhhhmbulance?

that's not how it is at all, there are a select few number of people who make it like that but usually you're just interpreting somebody trying to make you address your privilege as someone trying to make you a victim. because it doesn't feel nice.

unfortunately, this is how it is like every day for us marginalized people. our lives are a collage of not-nice feelings. and if at one point in your fandom time a mean marginalized person who doesn't recognize your supreme and awesome power makes you feel, just for a split second, how we feel ALL THE FUCKING TIME, you have no right to complain. because you can leave. you can exit internet explorer (or chrome, or firefox, or whatever) and never have to feel like that again.

we can't. there is no exit button for our oppression. that's garbage. us not wanting you to tell us about the prejudices we feel is justified, because you can't and won't ever understand. and if you have privilege, you fucking benefit from it. you fucking benefit from our oppression. you're lucky we're nice to you. we shouldn't have to be. but if we're mean, you can still play us off as uppity oppressed people. if you're mean to us, it's our own fault. we should've known our place.

that's why this is emotional. this is my fucking life. i don't owe you rationality about the mistreatment i've suffered at the hands of the privileged - mistreatment you may very well be benefitting from as we speak. and you can play how we feel off as ~emotional responses~ because you will never have to feel like this.

you've said you're young. i'm sure you know what ageism feels like. and it's not nice. doesn't it piss you off when a middle aged person tries to explain what it's like to be young and how you just ~don't understand right now because you're young? how the crap you have to go through is for your own good? that sucks. i've been there. i'm still there. it's frustrating and it makes me angry and ~emotional~. but i have the comfort that one day i'll be middle aged and other middle aged people with my best interests in mind will rule the world. you do too, i'm sure. i can't feel like that about the other traits i have that marginalize me. they don't go away. i'm stuck as marginalized forever.

[(Anonymous)]

That's not what ageism is, anyway. Ageism is mistreatment of the old, not the young.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

I don't know; this whole thing just makes me very sad for you. I'm sorry you have to put up with it all. I certainly wouldn't want to complain about MY problems after reading this.

[(Anonymous)]

I have invisible disabilities and have been discriminated against by POC in positions of authority because they only see "white girl" and completely invalidate any actual issues because and I've heard one say this "white people don't have those problems, they're just spoiled by their over-protective middle class parents"

But I can't say this logged in (and only 'jokingly refer to it' irl) because people will be like OMG ReverseRacism isn't real!

To those people

[(Anonymous)]

It's not about saying, hey, white people have these things that nobody else does, so let's take those things away.

Well... shouldn't it be?

I mean, let's think about this. White people are privileged. Shouldn't we be working toward taking away that privilege, if we want to bring about equality?

[(Anonymous)]

We're working to make most of these things rights for everyone, not privileges.

[fearless-rabbit.livejournal.com]

White privilege is a lot of things. Some of it is inherently racist and should go away, like the "I don't have to be in a group with a lot of people who aren't my race if I don't want to".

But a good deal of it is stuff that should be basic rights to everyone, like "People judge me based on my actions/accomplishments/behavior and not on my race" and "I'm never looked at as a representative for my race" and "If I make a bad decision, people won't think it's because of my race". Those aren't bad things. It's bad that they're distributed only to a certain group of people, but those are rights and things that everybody should have.

It's not going to help to take away these last three things from white people. Those are things that should go to everybody. The part about it being a 'privilege' that only white people have should go away, but not the actual non-discrimination itself. "Not getting discriminated against" isn't something that should be taken away from anybody.

[sarolynne.livejournal.com]

Well said.

[(Anonymous)]

heart.