[ SECRET POST #1575 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1575 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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TRIGGER WARNING FOR SEXUAL/EMOTIONAL ABUSE

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 06 pages, 132 secrets from Secret Submission Post #225.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ].
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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

03. http://i55.tinypic.com/2w4xmhx.jpg

[dinerstate.livejournal.com]

(..Sasuke?)

OP!

[(Anonymous)]

Ding ding ding. Have a cookie. ♥

Uh...

[shisui2006.livejournal.com]

I REALLY think it's a bad comparison, to be honest. Sasuke genuinely is a selfish, insensitive bastard...I mean he tried to kill his best friends in cold blood. I don't think many people can sanely justify or relate to that.

[(Anonymous)]

Snape fan? Not sure about the PTSD diagnosis, but when has armchair psychology ever been out of bounds for fandom?

[rabidsamfan.livejournal.com]

I thought of Snape, too. Although there are plenty of characters who it could be out there.

OP, try to remember that when people argue with you about characterization, they don't have all the data that you do. If your therapist thinks (with her/his training) that you're onto something, then you probably are.

And I hope that someday soon you will be able to argue on your own behalf, even if it is only to win the argument with yourself.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Not Snape, although that's a decent guess.

[(Anonymous)]

I understand how you feel, but I've been on the other side of those kinds of conversations too where I think the psychological reading just doesn't fit the character. But I would believe you if you were talking about yourself.

[kayfig.livejournal.com]

Maybe it's Alois from Black Butler, Season 2. But regardless, I can see why there's comfort in taking solace in a fictional character's life. I can be guilty of that at times, though not quite to the same extreme.

[(Anonymous)]

This is probably going to get me jumped, but...

It sounds to me like you might be over-identifying with the character, OP. Understanding character well is great, and if you can explain your take on them even better. But just because they're similar to you, or have similar circumstances/challenges does *not* make them you. When someone says something about how they view a character, they aren't speaking with you in mind at all - beyond talking to you *about* that topic.

Also, just because you view a character a certain way, doesn't mean that everyone does. You view them as having PTSD, but, unless specifically stated in canon, that's only your take on it. Which means that it's not something everyone has to agree with you on, and there will be people who won't. Hell, even if it *was* canon, there would be people who would probably disagree with it.

tl;dr: Identifying with a character is great, and if it helps you with your problems awesome, but if someone not viewing the character the same way you do - or not viewing a [presumably villian, or morally grey] character in a good light makes *you* feel attacked, then it might be a good idea to take a step back.

[(Anonymous)]

This.

[unifilar.livejournal.com]

No, you're totally right, and you said it in a really constructive, kind way.

I think on one hand it's good at the OP has a sort of coping method (by defending the character, they're defending themselves), but I don't know if it's the best coping method. I'm in NO WAY a doctor or anything, so if this method of dealing is what's best for OP, then go for it. But I just feel like it's a lose-lose situation- when you defend the character, you're REALLY only defending the character because you have a different backstory and are thus different from them. And then when someone disagrees with you, you feel personally attacked because you could relate to the character.

I don't know, it doesn't seem like the OP would benefit from thinking in this way in the long run. Relating to a character is totally fine, but it may be detrimental that you relate to them so closely.

[masked-creator.livejournal.com]

Very well said. *clap*

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Two points--

1. Psychology is not an element present in this series, but he fits the diagnostic criteria of PTSD to a T. If you argue he doesn't have it, I will assume you don't know much about PTSD.

2. This would not be a problem if I didn't have PTSD, making me sensitive to hearing people spouting the exact same things about this character that my abuser used to say to me. I know it's not great, but tbh, nothing is great. I'm scarred and broken; I can't react normally.

But I will say that the more I defend him, the closer I get to being able to defend myself. So at least in that vein, identifying with him helps--if it's not his fault, and if I can logically pick apart why, then I can do the same with my own situation.

it doesn't always work, but sometimes it does. I just have to fix the bit where I feel like I've been punched in the stomach every time someone's a jackass to the ink and paper and reserve that reaction for people being jackasses to me.

(I'm sorry if I sound like I'm jumping on you. I think you were very respectful and I really appreciate the time you took to comment.)

[(Anonymous)]

...Suzaku?

...but from what I can see most of the Code Geass fandom, at least on LJ, agrees with that assessment

[unifilar.livejournal.com]

I really hope you heal over time, OP. Sounds like you've had a rough life so far. Find comfort in everything you can, but I hope that you make decisions that will lead to overall recovery down the road.

I hope for the best for you. *hug*

[reanimatrix.livejournal.com]

It's sad how much I understand this.

[blackjackrocket.livejournal.com]

You know, I never understood the idea of "did I write this in my sleep" but now I do.

...and if it's the same character I will be rather surprised but I will demand to speak with you directly.

Pretty much everything you just said goes on with me, save for the past sexual abuse (there was emotional and verbal abuse though, and hell, that shit just continues). And I latched onto a character with a terribly traumatic backstory because I see a lot of myself in there, not just his past but his present as well. And it's...really helping me to get through a lot of what happened to me to think that there might just be hope for him.

[suspiriorum.livejournal.com]

I can relate, OP.

I also wish you nothing but the best in your recovery ♥

[(Anonymous)]

I totally understand, OP. I'm similarly defensive of characters in the Hunger Games for similar reasons.

[akai_senshi.livejournal.com]

I totally understand you, OP. It annoys me to no end that people have no consideration for villains, even if they have three-dimensional pasts and experiences.

(And what fandom is this for? It sounds familiar...)

[zyxwvutsrq321.livejournal.com]

I can't relate to your situation, and I don't have any brilliant wise advice, but best wishes, OP. I'm sorry that you've had to deal with such terrible situations. I hope that you learn to love yourself again someday, at the risk of sounding insensitive.

IDK if fic is the best way to cope, but it does sound like it's helping you! Good luck with whatever happens.

[(Anonymous)]

OP, if you have a few minutes, can I ask you something? I don't think Sasuke is evil but I have a hard time even guessing at how he'll turn out. Do you think he does have a chance? Does Naruto continuing to give a shit help him or hinder him in potentially overcoming this? I think Naruto means well but I'm not sure how being followed around for years would affect a person in Sasuke's situation.

Best wishes for your own recovery, too <3.

[(Anonymous)]

I think people who don't believe he has PTSD/is seriously unbalanced and still marked by the massacre and the way he apparently received no psychological help afterward and how then his brother came back for a second round thank you a lot no really, who believe he's evil just because he's naturally a dickwad and jealous of Naruto and could have easily chosen to break free of his past...

... well, I think a lot of things about them, and none of 'em are flattering. >__> Seriously, emotional range of a teaspoon there or what.

He'll totally be redeemed and get to come home and be loved. Naruto won't let the series end until that happens, the themes of the series won't make sense until that happens, Gaara did worse and was redeemed, Sasuke deserves to be healed and find peace and stop hurting. Sure he's done terrible things and he needs to atone for them, but the idea that he was dealt such a shit hand and would end up dying à la "hahaha that's what you deserve you asshole woohoo happy end for everyone" makes me sick.

He dedicated his whole life to his dead family. It's like he feels he deserves no life of his own, because of all those silent expectations.

I hope when his happy end comes you feel better about the potential for your own. People hold lots of characters to stupid high standards because they're anime characters and if they're not Obviously Good and display jealousy or moments of misdirected anger or the like most characters are seen as morally weak/suspect somehow, when 90% people out there would have weaker/more assholish moments without seeing themselves/their friends as bad at all. It's human nature, no one can be as perfect as a shounen hero. They wouldn't hold a real person to the same impossible standards, unless they're incredibly non-empathic. They wouldn't hold you to it. What's criticized and judged offhand in an anime character would be much harder to be criticized face to face with a real, three dimensional person.

(note, i'm not saying sasuke doesn't display a TON of misdirected anger and jealousy and other emotional problems, and that he hasn't made very questionable choices, and if someone gets that he has trauma on his trauma and still doesn't like his type of character, that's their right. But even when it's not that bad by far people tend to be really ambivalent about flawed characters, when those flaws are things they don't like to see in themselves... and I have no idea where I was going with that anymore, so I'll stop rambling here.)

*offers e-hugs*

[(Anonymous)]

Your attachment to this character is unhealthy. He is not you, and he's allowed to be criticized, because he's fictional and because fiction is, by nature, contrived. Your life isn't.