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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-06-20 07:36 pm

[ SECRET POST #1630 ]

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 08 pages, 187 secrets from Secret Submission Post #233.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 - take it to comments/wank elsewhere ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

[identity profile] ivavros.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
I get the feeling. I've felt pretty ashamed after getting into it because obviously we're all obviously horrible, ill, sick people.

Bluh.

[identity profile] mondaisenshi.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 03:33 am (UTC)(link)
And yet you seem to be going against your own advice as much as you seem to be accusing me of doing. Again, I'm not saying that you have to hand-hold your "attackers," but if you come at them with the maturity of a five year old or with the full-force rage of a hurricane, then it will always become a fight rather than a debate. And I can even understand if there are times when you just need to vent, but it seems to me that lately, that's all the "social justice warriors" are doing - venting, yelling, cursing, and whining.

And yes, that might indeed have been a condescending tone. But again, if people are acting childishly towards me, surprise, I will treat them like a child. Revolutionary thinking, isn't it?

I can understand that racist and offensive jokes such as that are more harmful and annoying than they are EVER funny, and I'm sorry you have to put up with dumbasses being dumbasses. But I don't believe in jumping on somebody for every slight and every offense - accidents do happen, you already agreed that sometimes it's really an innocent slip. And you've also agreed that, when you're in that situation, it sucks. And I have to ask, when you're dogpiling people, do you stop to consider for a second that you MIGHT be accusing a perfectly nice and considerate person of being a privileged prejudiced smartass little punk, or do you just go at it with the blind conviction that they are, in fact, an irredeemable ethnocentric prick? And even if you don't actively engage in the dogpiling yourself, do you think those who do take the time to consider that they don't know the person they're all teaming up against?

Again, I'm not saying that things don't need to change. But if you consider yourself an activist for social justice, then it seems to me you've already taken up the burden. Even if you don't go out of your way to make sure everybody's fully informed, as I understand it, the point of "social justice" is to seek a more open-minded, less prejudiced environment. This isn't something that can be sought out with blind rage and vengeful tones. This is something that needs to be taught. Because if all you're after is yelling and bitching and making yourself feel better, that's not social justice, that's not activism, that's not helpful to the world at all. It's just more noise.

And for the record, yes, their demi-essays were directed at me and written about their interpretation of who I was based, sometimes, on a single sentence. These weren't even insults, bad jokes, hurtful names, no. These sentences have occasionally been as minor as my personal preference between two characters. Two characters, in fact, whose only differences were entirely superficial and physical. This was a personal attack on me, as a single individual. Yes, I felt the need to defend my character, because I refuse to be judged based on their preconceived notions.

Oh, did I just hit a tender spot? That wording sounds familiar... Possibly because that's what you seem to be facing, yourself, if I understand your implications. And here's the kicker: I "fought back" by explaining patiently for at least half a day how their assumptions were incorrect, baseless, insulting, irrelevant, or some combination thereof. Admittedly, as is happening here, my tone occasionally dipped into the sardonic and irritable tones of someone who is frustrated at having to repeat herself, but I started out very polite and calm, and only descended into frustration when diplomacy was once again apparently less than effective.

And no, not everybody's me. And I don't expect people to go to the lengths that I do (or beyond, like some others) to deal with every idiot that passes their way, but is it really too much to ask that people try - OCCASIONALLY - at least starting out with even a single decently polite sentence, rather than ALWAYS bombarding a completely innocent thought with full essays or name-calling or just outright yelling?

ICON LOVE

[identity profile] kamikazemusume.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
Indeed it is! ♥ to you for noticing!

(Anonymous) 2011-06-22 07:15 am (UTC)(link)
This. Just in the group of 200 people who were at the last smallish con I attended, there were four other trans guys I know/with whom I'm acquainted/friends-of-friends/etc. Not in online fandom. IRL guys. I don't think they're fad-hopping ~confused girls (at least not when I'm in anything other than an exquisitely bitter, jealous mood).

I have to admit it does make me feel a little weird, though. Like suddenly finding myself in a really big fandom and feeling like a hipster douche. Especially since the number of (visible/out) trans girls seems so, so much lower. I don't get it.

But I don't think all these people are liarpants, and I don't even want to touch with a 29.5 foot pole the shittacular implications à la Dirt.

[identity profile] mythc-writer.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 09:17 am (UTC)(link)
I find this secret inspiring. Way to go anon.

Re: Recs?

(Anonymous) 2011-06-22 09:56 am (UTC)(link)
I nominate the Lorem Ipsum series for rec. It's utterly fabulous! :)
ageofzero: (///////)

[personal profile] ageofzero 2011-06-22 01:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Unrelated to everything you're talking about, BUT YOU HAVE A GUNBUSTER ICON. You are awesome, fellow LJ person. <3
ageofzero: (dance like a maniac)

[personal profile] ageofzero 2011-06-22 01:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay for Valenwind secrets!

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2011-06-22 03:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah... that's because it doesn't exist.

Even if you don't know enough French to make it through the comic, I'd still recommend it just on a picture-reading basis. But then there's the factor of you having to import it from French Amazon or something, which can be pricey. I looked around to see if I could at least offer you a download/scans, but no dice. Sorry!

[identity profile] angary.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Weed is a hell of a drug.

[identity profile] angary.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
After a long and arduous process, the entire country has agreed upon forgiving you.

<3

(Anonymous) 2011-06-22 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh man, I love Homsetuck to death, but was terrified of getting into the fandom because I heard everyone was an awful kappa-clawed freak! But there's actually people like the secret-poster in it, and that's awesome, and um, yeah.

So I don't think I'm scared anymore.

[identity profile] saiyako.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Best LE theory I've seen yet!

[identity profile] relmneiko.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
uhh no. I think there's just a greater volume of artists into comic art in Japan, seeing as how manga's so big there. Greater volume = there's more good stuff. And shitty Japanese artists tend to be too embarrassed to post their stuff.

Re: OP

[identity profile] takkid.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
No worries hopefully this will be translated in the future

(Anonymous) 2011-06-22 06:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, because this automatically makes me a homophobe *eyeroll*

I love how everything in this comm automatically boils down to "you don't understand XYZ, so you must hate XYZ and everything associated with it. Also, you hate gay people."

FFS, people.

(Anonymous) 2011-06-22 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, tyvm! <3

[identity profile] relmneiko.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 06:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Any statistics have to be taken with a grain of salt, especially statistics that relate to sexuality and identification. I'm not quite sure I'd swallow any of those stats, personally.

[identity profile] amethystium.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 06:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Aww, OP, no! You may never know, there might be at least one person who's desperate to find fic for her/his non-existent fandom, so you actually might make someone's day by sharing your writing. Of course, if you're looking for a larger audience, that's a whole other thing, but really, as a person who tends to often get into tiny fandoms (and I actually got sucked into fandoms because of well-written fanfiction before), I'm eternally grateful for those people who share their fanfic on the internet, regardless the size of the potential audience.

[identity profile] amethystium.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 06:44 pm (UTC)(link)
That's awesome! (: I sometimes do it, as well, but mostly only for Shakespeare's plays. Hamlet/Horatio, anyone?

[identity profile] acksed.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't watch it because he reminds me of myself. To see him doing those stupid things, perpetually at a remove from reality, is like watching myself do them and getting laughed at. 17 years on, I'm better now, but three guesses what my nickname at school was.

P.S. An aspergers book I read recommended trying to find heroes to emulate - Spock (fine), Data (okay)... and Mr. Bean. Why. WHY? D-:

Re: Recs?

[identity profile] saathi1013.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 07:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Whoever you are, anon, I am *dying* here.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2011-06-22 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much, OP. I've been looking for awesome books/comics to practice my French with, and I love me some ladyslash.

[identity profile] mondaisenshi.livejournal.com 2011-06-22 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
oh.....kay?

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