[ SECRET POST #1678 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1678 ⌋


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 07 pages, 167 secrets from Secret Submission Post #240.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - hit/ship/spiration ], [ 0 - omgiknowthem ], [ 0 - take it to comments ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

12. http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l516/8675eca/friendship.jpg

[duae.livejournal.com]

Oh goody, this again.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever found an actual post with someone going "Platonic love doesn't exist!" Or is it just butthurt "I don't ship X pairing, so I'm going to whine about all shipping"?

[oaktree89.livejournal.com]

Oh god. We're really going to have this wank again?

Please, no...

[(Anonymous)]

People insist this? I've never seen anyone say it, probably because it implies the meaningful relationships one has with family members must be romantic.

[silver-coins.livejournal.com]

Yup. I don't think all shippers do this, but there are certainly some and they piss me off.

To quote one of my favourite movies; "If I wasn't queer we would have ended up having sloppy teenage sex and getting pregnant, contributing more fucked-up unwanted kids to society. But instead, she became my soulmate. My one true partner in crime."

My soulmate is my bestfriend and that's never gonna change.

[later-tuesday.livejournal.com]

Agreed.

Not every relationship is or should be read as sexual. Not seeing the subtext that the more rabid fans INSIST is there is not cause to bitch and moan at people. To each their own.

[dark-kaomi.livejournal.com]

I agree. And while no one has out right stated this it feels like most people feel this way because there's very little gen/friend fic and a whole ton of romance/sex fic.

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

I don't think that's really the point.

[(Anonymous)]

No one has ever said that EVERY SINGLE meaningful friendship must be romantic. That doesn't mean that meaningful friendships cannot include romantic feelings, or develop into romantic relationships at some point.

I'm so sick of people accusing shippers of "not understanding true meaningful friendships". Most shippers ship some pairings, but they don't ship others, but see only frienship there. Also, most shippers actually do have friends they don't want to bang, so they obviously know that friendship without romance or sex exists. So get over your shipping hate. Shipping one or even many pairings =/= all friendships are a romance waiting to happen. Just because someone ships a pairing you think is only friendship doesn't mean the shippers of this pairing are sad people who don't understand friendship. that's as if the shippers were telling you that you don't understand romance just because you don't ship this particular ship.

Anyone have Popcorn gifs?

[mentalguru.livejournal.com]

From me, well I just have a picture:

[ninety6tears.livejournal.com]

It does really bother me, even when people are talking about pairings that I ship, when people say stuff like "How can you look at how devastated Bobby was when he thought Billy was dead and think this relationship is entirely platonic?" Just, really? I think it's a little too easy though to read into people's random justifications for ships and think that those are necessarily the standards that they hold to all relationships. Which is kind of why I get bored with any kind of attempts at justifying different parings and go by the very technical principles of "Either I feel it or I don't."

[sapphirecrow.livejournal.com]

I really do like best-friends-turn-into-more ships, but in the way of "It would be great IF they got together, although in canon I think they are platonic bffs", and I thought most such shippers were the same. At least, the ones I've talked to. There are the crazy "IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THEY ARE HAVING SEX IN CANON, BECAUSE NO WAY CAN THEY BE THAT CLOSE AND ONLY AS NON-ROMANTIC FRIENDS!" people, but I don't think they are necessarily the typical best-friend-shippers.

Unless they are. I dunno. I don't hang out in a lot of fandom discussion, I guess.

[(Anonymous)]

This stale old wank again? We just had the pedo fic secret, now this. Be more creative, trolls.

[classic-mold137.livejournal.com]

Why must romantic relationships and life-changing relationships be mutually exclusive? That makes me kind of sad, OP. There are some "pairings" in fanfic that I only like to read friendship fic about and wish I could find more of that and less slash (James/Sirius being the first one that comes to mind), but that's just my preference. It doesn't mean the other people are doing it wrong, or don't understand friendship. They just saw something in that relationship dynamic that they thought would be interesting in a romantic context.

[stunt-muppet.livejournal.com]

Oh not bullshit again.

I ship a lot because I like possibilities, I like experimenting with how a romantic relationship would work between two characters, and because it's fun. Not because I've ~~never felt true friendship~~ or whatever the fuck.

There are even people who write ship fic and don't even *want* the characters to end up together in canon! It must blow your fucking mind.

[fearless-rabbit.livejournal.com]

It makes me sad when people insist that any meaningful same-gender relationship must be completely platonic (usually while not applying those same standards to meaningful man/woman relationships) or else you're a brainless shipper.

It's kind of unfair.

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

Sigh. Again? Really?

I wish there was more gen and less focus in fandom on romance too, and that fandom didn't have to be synonymous with "shipping," but goodness I swear the exact same secret was posted a few days ago and YES EVERYBODY KNOWS NOT ALL RELATIONSHIPS ARE ROMANTIC.

[must-go-faster.livejournal.com]

The truly meaningful friendships I've experienced in my life were romantic friendships. They were a few but they were more profound and meaningful than platonic friendships (of which I've had many more than romantic ones). And I don't mean there was anything sexual involved, just to be clear because people often seem to think it's all the same thing. But I don't expect that everyone has the same experiences re: friendship, live and let live.

[(Anonymous)]

Arrg, this again, why. Why do people always go for this stereotype?

I, a bi girl, have a female best friend. I love her with all of my heart and would do anything for her. I think she is one of the best, kindest, most beautiful and intelligent people I have ever met, and I hope to spend as much of the rest of my life as I possibly can with her. However, I do not and have never had any sexual or romantic feelings towards her. So I understand close platonic friendships.

But you know what? I still adore the friendship-into-romance trope, and I still ship best friends 90% of the time. I mean, I don't absolutely insist that best friends must be together as the secret so unrealistically states, but why can't those of us who like to ship best friends do so without being lonely, pathetic shut-ins who don't understand the meaning of friendship? I see this idea come up fairly frequently and it really bothers me (clearly).

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who is the author of an original work where an asexual male character and a female character have a close platonic relationship, the questions I get most are "does he eventually fall in love with her?" and "Doesn't she feel so lonely with him?"

So I can understand where you're coming from. Not everybody's insisting all relationships need to be romantic, but characters who only have platonic relationships and are satisfied that way leave a lot of readers...unsatisfied I guess?

[writerserenyty.livejournal.com]

Shipping does not equal "every friendship must be a romance."

Though I know what you mean; I want more friendship-oriented fic. Though, to quote one of my fictional heroes, Dana Scully: "Well, it seems to me that the best relationships - the ones that last - are frequently the ones that are rooted in friendship." So IMO shipping doesn't necessarily mean an end to a friendship, just an extension of one. Though friendships don't always have to go that way.

[mutantjules.livejournal.com]

This shit again? Is there anyone who ACTUALLY DOES say that any meaningful relationship must have sexual undertones? Or is it just that people say it about the close friendships that they ship, because they ship it, and you just don't ship those particular ships and thus are exaggerating?

[la-petite-singe.livejournal.com]

THIS THIS THIS DEAR GOD THIS. Hey, I'm all for romance, and I love a good sexy pairing or whatever, but seriously, people need to stop acting like friendship is less meaningful.

[countess-k.livejournal.com]

Why isn't this in the failbar? How is this fandom again?

[lljscrawls.livejournal.com]

I do think you're being a bit dramatic, but I also think that romance tends to . . . cheapen the bonds that are there, sometimes, because while romance CAN be as strong as any other kind of bond, it doesn't HAVE to be and often it's not. At least, in MY personal opinion. So yeah.