[ SECRET POST #1678 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1678 ⌋


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Comments

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

Because Sirius totally didn't also have an inability to get over his childhood?

lol

[riah-chan.livejournal.com]

I think he had a bit more of an excuse with the whole "being in prison and reliving the worst moments of his life except for some time spent as a dog" thing. He didn't really get a chance to grow up. Snape had the chance and still didn't.

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

Grew up enough to stop being a Death Eater.

Older habits are harder to break.

But I guess you've never had any bad habits that took a lifetime to get over, if at all.

[antler-action.livejournal.com]

I don't know that I would call being a Death Eater a "bad habit".

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

True, but I'm pretty sure it was the worst thing he did/was a part of and spawned plenty of other worse habits than he already had.

[riah-chan.livejournal.com]

Wow... that is quite the straw-man argument. I just pointed out that Sirius had even more reason than Snape not to be able to let go.

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

Oh is that what you were saying? Sorry, I run into too many people who try to claim that "Sirius was a 'better person' than Snape" for some inane reason.

[philstar22.livejournal.com]

Snape bullies children. Anything else he ever did, and anything he went through can't ever justify that. Even if bullying Harry is slightly understandable (though not justified), the way he treats Neville, Hermione, and the other Gryffindors is just so far beyond not okay.

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

I'm not trying to say it justifies the wrong he did. I'm just pointing out that it doesn't negate the good.

Or are we saying it does?

Okay, then.

[dontgiveahoot.livejournal.com]

[Sirius] didn't really get a chance to grow up. Snape had the chance and still didn't.

This. So much this. I'm sick to death of Snape fans condemning Sirius for never growing up when he was in a hellhole prison paying for the death of the Potters, which SNAPE helped set up.

[(Anonymous)]

Fuck YES!!!

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but he was put in prison for an atrocity that he didn't commit. He was basically robbed of those years, since he could nothing but sit in a cell and focus on the ONE THING that enabled him to keep his sanity at least partially intact.

Snape lost a friend due to his own faults. THEN, instead of like, cleaning up his act, and maybe not hang out with the kids who were hating on muggle-borns and playing up the pureblood bs, he decided to go full Death Eater. Further proving that he had learned absolutely nothing. THEN, he was completely okay with the idea that Lily's husband and infant child would be murdered, so long as Lily would be safe.

The only reason he ever tried to do any small bit of good in his life was because Lily died. Snape chose not to grow up. He chose to dwell on the past (and also his bitterness and resentment) so much that it stunted his growth as a person.

Snape and Sirius probably had about the same level of maturity, but consider which one was the person that had spent 13 years in a literally soul-sucking prison, and which one hadn't. Snape has no such justification for his complete lack of maturity. He's just one sad, bitter motherfucker.

[(Anonymous)]

this is a good comment and you should feel good

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

Yeaaaaaah, this is the meta I like to avoid.

[(Anonymous)]

proving that you only want to avoid it because it isn't in defense of your precious snape, because you've been meta-ing all over this thread.

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

I'm not hear to defend Sirius or Snape. I love and hate them both equally for the same reasons. I don't think there is a "better person" in either of their situations. They're just people...people who made good and bad choices during the course of their lives.

Sirius never got a chance to really grow as a person because he got himself killed by telling Harry to "take more risks." Sure, his owning up to it and rescuing Harry in the time of need was good and noble and one of many reasons why it was a tragedy he died. And he was technically killed by Bellatrix and the veil, but what got him in that situation were the remarks he made to Harry out of anger due to his own personal hang ups and boredom. And no, I don't think being in prison unjustly changes that. People are more than their experiences.

[(Anonymous)]

i think you mean "yeaaaaaaaah this comment makes sense and i can't argue and defend my precious snapeypoo"

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

you want more, okay hth (http://fandomsecrets.livejournal.com/736437.html?thread=466526901#t466526901), I'm not typing it all out again.

[(Anonymous)]

And why is that?

[helenadax.livejournal.com]

Oh, I think Sirius wanted to be in Azkaban. He could have testified under veritaserum, he could have said that Peter was the Secret Keeper, he could have turned into a dog and leave. The moment he wanted to get out, he got out. I think he wanted to punish himself because he thought that James and Lily had died because of him. That isn't very healthy either.

[(Anonymous)]

He could have testified under veritaserum

Nope. When asked about that, Rowling said the following:

Veritaserum works best upon the unsuspecting, the vulnerable and those insufficiently skilled (in one way or another) to protect themselves against it. Barty Crouch had been attacked before the potion was given to him and was still very groggy, otherwise he could have employed a range of measures against the Potion - he might have sealed his own throat and faked a declaration of innocence, transformed the Potion into something else before it touched his lips, or employed Occlumency against its effects. In other words, just like every other kind of magic within the books, Veritaserum is not infallible. As some wizards can prevent themselves being affected, and others cannot, it is an unfair and unreliable tool to use at a trial.

Sirius might have volunteered to take the potion had he been given the chance, but he was never offered it. Mr. Crouch senior, power mad and increasingly unjust in the way he was treating suspects, threw him into Azkaban on the (admittedly rather convincing) testimony of many eyewitnesses. The sad fact is that even if Sirius had told the truth under the influence of the Potion, Mr. Crouch could still have insisted that he was using trickery to render himself immune to it

[gabzillaz.livejournal.com]

+1

[hoopyfroodyford.livejournal.com]

This comment is fucking GOLD. Sirius didn't have the opportunity to grow up because literally every second of his life for 11 years was spent in a cell, having his worst memories replayed over and over. The only reason he stayed relatively sane was because he could turn into a dog once in a while. Meanwhile, Snape was hanging around Hogwarts, comfortably bullying his non-Slytherin students for years until Voldemort showed up again and he had to do something about it.

[(Anonymous)]

The only reason he stayed relatively sane was because he could turn into a dog once in a while.

This made me lol. It's sad, but true.

[meiko-matsui.livejournal.com]

+1