[ SECRET POST #1720 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1720 ⌋


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Secrets Left to Post: 09 pages, 211 secrets from Secret Submission Post #246.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 1 - take it to comments ], [ 1 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

24. http://oi54.tinypic.com/220vbq.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

According to somewhere I can't remember the name of, her work ethic was bad. Companies do that to directors a lot (Pixar kicked the male director off Ratatouille), so it's silly to think that this is any worse or any better just because of the gender.

[cyren-2132.livejournal.com]

But, don't you know EVERYTHING is worse when it happens to a woman because of ALL THE HISTORY OF EVERYTHING! /sarcasm

[(Anonymous)]

Disney-wise Chris Sanders was kicked off directing Bolt because he would not cooperate with the rest of the staff well and was just running the film into the ground with "quirkiness" and such. It happens.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's a sad day when "I think this business decision was made for a completely legitimate business reason and for no ulterior motive" is a secret.

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

This is true.

[(Anonymous)]

Gospel.

[(Anonymous)]

And this is why feminism is dangerous.

[(Anonymous)]

*laughing fit*

[dinerstate.livejournal.com]

No, it's not that-- it's that before she was fired Brave was being praised as a film about a strong female who is both the princess and the hero, AND on top of it was conceived and directed by a woman, as Pixar has yet to have any films helmed by women. So, when she was removed, everyone sort of freaked out because suddenly Pixar lost the claim to finally having a female director, and it's back to a boys' club.. which isn't truly the case, because they do have important women working there, but they're not known for helming projects.

[brandiweed.livejournal.com]

Just another Nice Guy.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't completely agree because I like to be able to vote and decide who I want to marry and all that, but honestly? Concerning feminism the internet is a fucked up place where you often get jumped for not liking a female character or disagreeing with females based on "misogyny". If as much people hated women as some people make you believe here, we wouldn't be able to even vote. So yes, in part i agree. Some feminists are just to fast to accuse someone of misogyny. I don't know if it's because they are "Feminazis", Trolls or had just so many bad experiences that they actually see it this way, but some people are just a bit oversensitive.

[dinerstate.livejournal.com]

I really, REALLY hope that's the case. Either way, I can't see them just being all, 'Yeah so let's get this LADY and her VAGINA of this film because she's a LADY.' I mean, Darla Anderson has been an extremely important member of the studio and production team since the beginning (I think-- I don't remember if she was part of the original crew, but I know she was there very early) and she's done amazing things as a producer.

I think (or hope) that whatever the reason was that they removed her from the project was labeled as a misogynist thing because of the movie itself. It's continually noted that it's nearly Miyazaki-ish in vision, with a female princess AND hero that happens to be the same character, which is new for Western audiences. The fact that it was originally conceived by a woman made it even better, and then to suddenly see her off the project was a big blow to that credibility. Either way, I remain cautiously optimistic about Brave, because it looks beautiful.

[specimen-47.livejournal.com]

'Yeah so let's get this LADY and her VAGINA of this film because she's a LADY.'

That's an extreme oversimplification of how misogyny in the industry works, and depends on an idea that people target women knowing that they're targeting women, and not, you know, subconsciously judging a woman more harshly / hassling her / not working well with her / taking her less seriously / misunderstanding simple comments for bitchiness / etc etc etc. More things go into the whole sexism problem than a fixation on the obvious. It's not "she has a vagina, GET HER" so much as "She's a woman, and because she is a woman I have to take everything she says with a grain of salt / assume she is prone to mood swings and disregard her opinion / judge everything she says and weigh them against what I personally deem appropriate / assume she is incapable of performing to task / label her as uncooperative when she offers a dissenting opinion."

It's a million little things.

[(Anonymous)]

I think for me I am still disappointed either way. I do think it's extremely plausible that Pixar fired her for completely legit reasons, I know how the industry works and I know it's not an uncommon occurrence for movies to change hands in the animation industry.

But it is still disappointing because of the severe lack of females in power in the animation industry. Everything is still run by old white men, I may not be able to point fingers at Pixar or any other specific company, but that doesn't mean the misogyny doesn't exist or that the overall trend isn't bad. Because it is bad.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I assume these old white men worked for a long time in this business and have already secured their positions as in made a name of themselfs. I'm sure in 20 years at least they will retire/die/whatever and the next generation will be there. Probably more females then. At least i see it this way, but since i was never oppressed in my country and actually like most of what i'm watching, i don't care. Well, apart from the fact that even some gory Horror or explosion filled Action suddenly has romance. Honestly. Who want's kissy faces when shit is blowing up?

[(Anonymous)]

And yet, this wouldn't make me feel any better about their lack of woman directors/main characters.

Usually when I see this brought up, it's by people who really don't want to believe that Pixar has any issues at all.

[gabzillaz.livejournal.com]

IA

[jedi-pineapple.livejournal.com]

Completely agreed. There's issues everywhere - even in my beloved Pixar.

[oflittlebrain.livejournal.com]

IA honestly. it sucks but there's no way they would do it without good reason.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know why didn't they switch her out for another female director and avoid making it look like an old boy's club.

[(Anonymous)]

Just because a woman gets sacked doesn't mean it's misogyny. Sometimes it just means she's a horrible person or terrible at her job. Where I work, we fired a woman in a leadership position because she was creating a hostile work environment. When one of the IT people lost her baby, she thought it was hilarious to tape pictures of aborted fetuses all over the IT department and speak very loudly about how hospitals dispose of stillborn babies when she could overhear. She was a right nasty piece of work and everyone was glad to see the back of her.

[netbug009.livejournal.com]

THANK YOU!!!!!

[must-go-faster.livejournal.com]

lol Pixar stans, deslusional as always I see

[haro.livejournal.com]

She was booted because she was running the project into the ground. They had a deadline, and she was not meeting those deadlines, and she was blowing money out the wazoo on the project because of it. The project became so personal to her that she lost sight of it from a business point of view. They could not afford to keep doing that, so they booted her. Yes, I'm sure it was sad for her, but she did have a job to do, and she wasn't doing it.

It would be stupid of them to keep a woman on board because she's a woman, even when she's not doing her job. Her removal isn't a blow to the movie's credibility at all, and it's not the first time they've removed a director from a project (and Lasseter has also done the same thing at Disney animation, on Bolt with a male director). The animation industry is male dominated, this is certainly true (well Hollywood period is), but there's absolutely zero evidence for any sexism regarding Brenda Chapman, so lay off. Not you, of course, but the critics.

If it makes the naysayers feel any better, Brave is being produced by a women and both of the writers for the film are women. The director, is in fact, the only major male staff on the film.