[ SECRET POST #1799 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1799 ⌋


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Notes:

IP logging is on because of the youtube redirects.

Secrets Left to Post: 06 pages, 144 secrets from Secret Submission Post #257.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ]
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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

05. http://i40.tinypic.com/xbihir.jpg

[lashiec.livejournal.com]

I much prefer what the fandom does with Eridan VS. actual Eridan.

Hate to say it, but they're not the same. :C Eridan's time in Homestuck is pretty brief.

[lashiec.livejournal.com]

Also just wanted to say I agree completely on the telling but not showing bit. There's plenty of people out there that have problems with the approach, don't fret. You just gotta avoid the sect of fans that happen to be crazies.

[stella-down.livejournal.com]

why do I get the feeling there are gonna be some long-ass responses to this secret?

anon who did the tl;dr downthread

[(Anonymous)]

Because you have precognition. :I

[(Anonymous)]

Holy TL;DR, Batman!

[loracarol.livejournal.com]

...

I just love this song. :3

(it's my gdi the world sucks and I hate life song...)

[castorochiaro.livejournal.com]

There's really only two things that bug me about this secret: the assumption that if it's bad to you, it's just bad in general, and the whole "you can't write a story this way" thing. Mostly the second, because...I dunno, some people write stories better that way, just coming up with new ideas as they go. There's certainly wrong ways to write, but limiting the creative process so much just seems to drain it of the exact thing it's supposed to be: an exploration of one's ideas in a unique, interesting way.

Plus, I'm pretty sure that's not how he's writing it anymore. I think the reason Hussie admitted to "making things up as he went along" at first was because a lot of Homestuck was originally based on audience suggestion.

So yeah. I would say Homestuck's not for you and you have no obligation to like it, so don't try to slog through it. Especially not for Eridan, for as has been said before, he's not prominently featured in the comic. I'm sure you can find some interesting fan adventures or something to appease your interest in Eridan, though!

(Sorry for the TL;DR!)

[m-chinchilla.livejournal.com]

I cannot agree with you more OP. Homestuck has always been a royal mess to me. I'm so glad I've stopped reading it now.

[8lood.livejournal.com]

I'm whatever on mostly everything, but saying that it's not deep or complex? I think that it has varying levels of complexity, and if you are willing to look beyond the surface (like at the kids' varying emotional and psychological states) it can become a very deep and motivating story.

I'm pretty sure his story-telling style is parodying text-based adventure games, which had to do quite a bit more telling, as there were no pictures to show...

Like someone else said upthread, you thinking Homestuck is bad does not mean everyone should think it's bad. To each their own, of course. And I wouldn't recommend reading it if you get headaches!

[oflittlebrain.livejournal.com]

YEAH WELL THAT'S JUST LIKE YOUR OPINION MAN. seriously though! i hate it when people act like they are the ~authority~ on how to write a story. of course andrew didn't have everything planned from the beginning, since he started out taking fan suggestions-- but if you're paying any attention then it's very obvious that some elements were planned for quite some time. and in my opinion, it's a very well-written and unique story. wow. look at that. different opinions.

and i'd just like to say that i find it hilarious that you're only reading for eridan, who is basically the worst character who everyone hates lol. i hope you like Nice Guys.

[(Anonymous)]

Your first mistake was reading it for Eridan of all people.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't worry, you're not alone. It's always a bad sign when people say "Oh ignore this huge chunk of story".
In my opinion you should be able to go into a comic and any time, read few pages and at least be interested in what's going on, or who the people are, or at least what the world they're inhabiting is like. Starting from the start is boring, picking named starts from the archives and going from there is boring, overall it's just not worth the time for me to bother reading it.
I like the fact they're doing something different though I'm glad other people enjoy it and maybe it'll spawn something that I could care about.

[(Anonymous)]

Dude. Homestuck is whatever Hussie decided it should be. I could understand the whole "YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SHOW NOT TELL" argument if the pesterlogs weren't an inherent aspect of the comic from the beginning but...they've always been pretty well established in the narrative. It's just part of the style of the thing. You might not like it, but that doesn't make it wrong...

It seems like you might as well be arguing that it shouldn't have animations because it's a webCOMIC. Which would be equally as dumb.

AND, the whole "THAT IS NOT HOW YOU WRITE WHATEVERWHATEVER" is just stupid. People write however works best for them. Some people can just come up with shit on the fly, some people need some notes, some people need whole outlines. It's too subjective to say "HE'S DOING IT WRONG!"

Also, I don't think Homestuck is ~deep~ or even exceptionally well written, but I'm putting my skeptical glasses on and giving you a side-eye for saying that it's like every D&D/Shadowrun session you've played. Because...I just don't believe that. It's got the whole broad mytharc thing going on, but outside of that...yeah, no.

Basically, Homestuck is far from the best thing on the internet, it's not the most well written thing by a long shot, but your arguments are dumb.

THE END.

[streetcake.livejournal.com]

TL;DR you didn't enjoy Homestuck and don't think it's as great as everyone says.

Now that you realize this you can move on with your life.

Also, like others have said, you're not any kind of authority to declare what makes a good story or not based on your preferences. If you don't think it's well written or deep and complex, fine. It doesn't mean others thinking it is are wrong and only reading it because it's ~popular~.

[(Anonymous)]

You're going to be disappointed when you find out Eridan is a creep and dies.

[(Anonymous)]

I hate Homestuck too, but FUCK YEAH TEMPOSHARK.

[ascend.livejournal.com]

act 5 is where a lot of people finally get into it tbh

i tried like 6 times a couple of years ago to get into it and just COULD NOT GET PAST JOHN AND HIS FUCKING CAKE ARMS

but like you i finally found an incentive and it was a breeze after that, but if you got into it for trolls then just skip to act 5 or soldier through until you get there

p.s. the story does get deeper lol

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, Homestuck definitely isn't something for everyone. I'm one of the people who loved it from Act 1, but it seems to hit pretty specific tastes. If you hate it so far, Eridan probably won't redeem it for you.

Also the fandom isn't as bad as it could be. I mean, it has its spots of shit. But I can't help but compare it to my last huge fandom, which was Kingdom Hearts.

LOL

[ginseng-tea-cat.livejournal.com]

OMG all these "BUT ITS HIS STYLE" comments XD

AHAHA! You know how many times -I- get yelled at for saying it's my style? But no! Because it's Andrew fucking hussie, it is all acceptable to say it's his style and throw out anything this secret is saying >.<

OK I dun rly understand what this secret means a bit but I agree!

[billybobfred0.livejournal.com]

♫ It's okay to not like things... ♪

That never stopped being a thing, you know. You don't have to like what we like.

[yucari.livejournal.com]

Yeah, Homestuck suffers from some really bad first draft-itis.

Though, I've always seen Andrew talking about how he Totally Planned Every Major Plot Point Way In Advance If You Can't See That That's Your Problem You Lazy Reader on his Formspring and things. Where has he ever admitted to winging it? Even if that's what he was doing all along (which I've suspected for awhile), he has always seemed to me the type to be too prideful to admit it.

You know, I wonder how people would treat the comic if they didn't read it assuming there was a defined ending in mind, and instead treated it like any other serial webcomic with no overarching Plot to the various arcs.

[(Anonymous)]

Well sorry to break it to the people who think they know better, because he did plan major plot points--he has said it a bunch of times--written paragraphs about it too. And even if it weren't like that, so what? People like it BECAUSE it's a different approach to storytelling and characterization, nothing we've previously seen before in a webcomic. Just because there's already a format for storytelling, it does not mean that a writer cannot decide to take another approach. It only looks bad to a lot of people because they've already been dogmatically conditioned to follow a certain flow and cannot/are not willing to break away from it. Hussie already knows that there are a lot risks he's taking with this; the comic was an experimental way to explore different media and concepts. He knows it has faults (we know--the sane ones at least!), but he is willing to take the damage if it means it'll teach him or us something in the long run.
I'll agree though, that some people would rather see than read. Personally, I think it takes far more effort and creativity from the viewer if they are asked to read and envision a character's conversation in their minds instead of being handed out the visuals.

I am willing to give you the "it's not deep" point of view, yeah--it's a freaking web comic--not The fucking Brother's Karamazov. It can, however, touch on the whole coming-of-age theme really well considering the strong reactions he gets from his audience.
YET it IS objectively complex. The structure of the story has layers upon layers of subplots to take into account, all of which are not banal in the grands scheme of things--they all serve a purpose. However, if you're referring to the thematic of the story, then you have to take into account through WHOSE POV we're watching the story progress: Most of the times you'll be seeing it from the kids' POV. Kids don't see the world as complex as adults do--most don't have existential crisis during lunch break. If the characters had been adults, then yeah we might have something to work with here, but no, they're kids and we see it the way they see it.
Also another HUGE THING we're all missing, this comic is supposed to make you laugh--laugh at yourself; the gamer culture, hipsters, fangirl shippers, furries, dorky kids, hackers, the bubbly airhead chicks, fashionistas, and kids who take themselves far too seriously. So I don't really see anything wrong with Hussie "catering" to the "internet people", since there's already a shitton of shows and books out there that do the same--only to a different "mainstream demographic". So really what I'm saying is "You don't like it? Fine, you can't please everyone and that's just things go, but don't think yourself the authority to say what is good and what is not."

P.S: I also kind of hate the fandom from time to time, to the point that I'm glad I know no one irl who reads Homestuck.

[friendofwomen.livejournal.com]

I haven't read Homestuck, so I don't have an opinion on its quality. That being said, not all authors follow the idea of having to plan out everything before they write. For example...

"I generally do not think out plots or characters ahead of time. I let things roll along. Organic is the word I use for this. But actually I do it because I am a reader before I am a writer. I want my own writing to surprise me, the way someone else’s book does. If I think out everything ahead of time, I am–in Truman Capote’s words–”Not a writer but a typewriter.”

To the outside eye this may seem a lazy way to write. It drives anyone I work with crazy. But I have learned to trust those intuitive moments when stories seem to leak from my fingertips."

I took that from Jane Yolen (http://janeyolen.com/for-writers/)'s website. She's written over 300 books, has won several awards, and has been called the "Hans Christen Andersen of America". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Yolen)

Different people have different styles of writing. Some people plot out everything in advance. Some people only have general guidelines. Some people dash out everything in the first draft off-the-cuff before they go into editing. Now, I agree that for something that's being published as it's written, like most webcomics, planning ahead is a really good idea. I think the "writing stuff as it comes to you" method works better for something that's put together as a whole unit, like a book or a movie, since that allows you to go back and edit anything that doesn't fit with the whole of the work, and gives you more time to refine everything. But...still, while there's "rules" that's good to know about when you're writing, you can break those rules. you've got to be a good writer to do that, but it's possible to do so.

[(Anonymous)]

Eridan is a useless, whiny creep with delusions of grandeur, who's been glorified by butthurt fans who took his delusions of grandeur seriously. That video is not Eridan, it is everything Eridan wanted to be but was too pathetic to become. The best thing he ever did was get gloriously murdered by an actually worthwhile troll.

If you're reading Homestuck for that Eridan, stop now, he is never coming. Or he'd Doc Scratch. Either way.