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same. i fucking hate the whole "white people/first world problems" thing. it's so fucking condescending.

This. To me it's basically saying, "You are not allowed to feel emotion. Just suck it up and take what ever punches you get no matter how bloody and bruise you become."

It's inhumane and without compassion and empathy. And then you turn around and expect the person you just said that to, to have compassion and empathy back. That's not how it works.

yeaaaaah. because you aren't poor or idk with other serious problems, you cannot complain about stuff? pffffffft.

the quoted text in this article (http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/11/whats-wrong-with-firstworldproblems/248829/) expresses it far better than i ever could.

Can you imagine if someone had the cojones to actually to pull that sort of "you can't complain because you are white and rich" stuff on someone in real life?

Like going up to Steve Jobs just before he died painfully from cancer and say, "You have no right to complain about anything. You are a rich, white American male. People have it worse off than you."

I wonder what the reaction from the public would be.

excellent example there.

lol, but sjw can't do shit beyond their death threats on the internet, so...

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anonlulz.livejournal.com - 2012-05-14 02:14 (UTC) - Expand

I remember seeing an argument in a thread on F!S a while back concerning a secret about anxiety disorders, and some guy was trying to say that unless you are living in a third world country, you are not allowed to complain about ANYTHING, because people in third world countries will ALWAYS have it worse.

As if (like another comment upthread pointed out) intersectionality doesn't exist. You can be white and also be persecuted for your gender, your sexuality, your religion, your physical appearance, your mental status. PoC being oppressed doesn't mean that if you're white you are automatically NOT oppressed in other ways.

You are so very right, anon. I always wonder, are these people oblivious to the gap between what they preach and what they practice? Or do they honestly think that they are entitled to receive consideration they're unprepared to give?

every time i've heard people say "white people problems" they have been white people poking fun at themselves for having problems that aren't really that bad. obviously if you're telling someone all your life's issues and they respond with "white people problems lol" they are an asshole, but uh. i've never heard of that happening.

For the poking fun, I usually saw "Third world problems" used, which makes more sense. Because hey, would you know, there are non-white people who are wealthy and healthy too! And they have the right to drop perfect tears of sadness when their local Starbucks run out of Hazel syrup, too (which is the sort of "problem" people refer to when mocking their own kind of third world problem).

I associate the "white people problems" expression more to the "you and your priviledges mean you have to shut your mouth even if you lost your job, had your children die and learned you only have 6 months left to live this week" cases.

This. This shit pisses me off so much, and it's useless getting into discussions about it because anyone who says this kind of crap just wants to play the Oppression Olympics.

Yes I'm Caucasian. Yes other people do have it worse than I do. But fuck those people for trying to say because I was born this way that my problems don't mean a thing and I should just "get over them". What seems insignificant to one person can mean life or death for another.

exactly, you said it.

look, i'm from argentina, and this is considered a 3rd world country. whenever someone uses the "first world problems" thing, i get so fucking pissed off. yes, i can have problems over deciding what to have for lunch; yes, my computer may not work well sometimes. just because there are worse problems out there doesn't mean you don't have the right to complain. idiots.

I agree, I mean. Obviously there are some problems that I feel like it's very unfair to hold up to the same level as those who live in third world countries have, but being caucasian does not automatically mean that it is impossible for you to have problems that may hurt just as much, or that you can't experience the same amount of oppression (for example, being caucasian and queer, or caucasian and transgendered, or caucasian and an abuse survivor).

I personally always considered 'first world problems' to refer to things that are extremely petty or easily fixed by the complainer that are whined about anyway. (e.g. 'I have to plug in my laptop but the power cable's in my ROOM!')

If it's used for anything beyond that, well, that makes me very sad. :I

Yeah, exactly, its trivial stuff that people act like is the end of the world. I saw a girl tweet the other day "ugh, dropped my iphone in the toilet, now i have to use my blackberry until my dad gets home from his business trip"

like.....wow

Back before the SJW crowd went nuts, that was just called "whining like a spoiled brat."

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(Anonymous) - 2012-05-14 04:17 (UTC) - Expand

Yeah, that's what I've always taken 'first world problems' to mean too. But the 'white people problems' comments are extremely condescending and quite frankly, racist. Though tbh, over half of SJW comments tend to be offensive and insensitive even to those they claim to be defending, so...

I'm shocked that no one has informed you of the "academic" definition of racism yet.

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(Anonymous) - 2012-05-14 06:20 (UTC) - Expand

you noticed that, too? i think they feel like they have every right to be hypocritical, insensitive bullies because they're doing it for ~righteous~ reasons. like they're the defendors of all things oppressed, and this gives them the explicit right to bully other people because they think that person may have bullied someone else.

because being a dick to someone for being a dick to someone else means you AREN'T a dick, somehow, as long as you're ~fighting for justice~.

... but that's also condescending, because of what

uncieloazul explained above. People in third world countries have petty, easily fixed problems too, you know.

I'm sure that they do. However, I also think you have to think of 'First World problems' in context. These are people who have very few to no serious problems in their lives making a huge deal out of something that is ultimately trivial.

It's not a bad thing to have a bitch here and there, not at all. I personally assign the concept to that branch of people who have everything on a silver platter and then complain the platter isn't gold. Those kind of people need a dose of condescending.

Yeah. I use the "first world problems" meme to make fun of myself. "I hate it when the soy sauce spills all over my sushi delivery. #firstworldproblems" or "The mini-mart was out of Arizona peach tea - I had to get pink lemonade. #firstworldproblems". It points out how tiny of a problem it is, and still lets you complain a little bit about your minor life annoyances.

You think we don't have sushi delivery in the third world or something? I assure you, little one, we do not all live in shacks waiting for UNICEF packages, and we don't have to be filthy stinking rich child smugglers or drug lords to be ticked off that there's no Arizona peach tea in the market out here either. Your problems are petty, but they're not unique to you.

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urplesquirrel.livejournal.com - 2012-05-16 18:05 (UTC) - Expand

I hate it when people use "white people problems" to describe class issues, because it feels like saying only the white people can ever be rich/famous/whatever. Sure, a lot of them are. But it's weird as shit to see Samuel Jackson on the "White Whine" blog, wtf.

Seriously. People in developing nations can also get upset over minor problems and problems with luxuries. Part of the issue with "first world problems" is it furthers the stereotype that everybody in developing nations is a dirt farmer, and "white people problems" is similarly problematic.

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