[ SECRET POST #1978 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1978 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Secrets Left to Post: 06 pages, 138 secrets from Secret Submission Post #283.
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe they mean they could have written it better. 'I could have done everything in the story better, given the characters.' That's how I read it.

[victorias]

that's how i read it too.

[rivia]

The phrasing of "building Iron Man's suit an turning into a raging green giant" makes it sound like the OP is actually doing those things to me.

[kelincihutan]

I did read it this way right up until the bit where they specified in-universe abilities rather than production ones. 'Cause, okay, maybe they could write a better script. Given that Joss is stupidly famous for exemplary scripts, that would be an extraordinary claim but not an impossible one.

But the Iron Man suits are literally impossible. As is hulking out and blah blah blah, so...yeah.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Maybe they thought the characters were dumb then. 'Given the powers they had, I could have made better IC decisions' or sth. IDK. I don't think OP is claiming that as an ordinary human she could outfight Captain America...

[rivia]

that's a really poor way of phrasing it then.

[(Anonymous)]

and poor phrasing on a secret surprises you? are you new here?

[rivia]

RME Did I say that it did?

[(Anonymous)]

Given that Joss is stupidly famous for exemplary scripts

Ah, ah!
Wait, you were serious?
Joss' good times are behind him I'm afraid, if Avengers is all he can do now. It was entertaining, but I'd agree with OP that all characters were tools. They all seemed to behaved like idiots so that there could be a joke made.

[(Anonymous)]

Was there anything particularly teeth-gritting about Black Widow's character treatment? I am chock full of sexism for this year and don't think I could make it through another movie I'm supposed to be escaping through without blowing up if I get that shit in my face. I really want to see this movie too.

[astridv]

I have a feeling AYRT will tell you differently, but personally I thought Black Widow is a kickass character, both well-written and well-acted. All in all one of my favorite things about this movie.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, that's a relief. Thnx.

[tabaqui]

Seconding. She rocked, she held her own with super-soldier, Hulk, Ironman, a *god* - she was just amazing.

[omorka]

And ScarJo has been doing a great job of calling out interviewers for sexist questions, too. Much better than I expected from her, honestly.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you have any links? Awesomeness like that always makes me feel better.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

No, Black Widow is generally agreed to be kick-ass. It was all the other parts that bothered me like how both villains and heroes were really stupid. Destroy a city to save it!1!! That kind of dumb. I understand it's generic superhero fare but for characters who are supposed to be super smart it was disappointing

[loracarol]

I thought the people who were like "Destroy a city to save it!1!!" weren't the heroes, though. They were the super secret politicians, they weren't supposed to be smart, they were just supposed to have power. Which is, yeah, a scary prospect, but kind of a realistic one IMO.

[(Anonymous)]

It always throws me out of an episode or movie when the answer is so glaringly obvious to a casual viewer and you're supposed to be watching a genius scientist/brilliant detective puzzle it out over the next thirty minutes or so.

[truxillogical]

At no point is she designated the romantic interest of another character (there's a very touching scene with Hawkeye, but to me it just played out as two soldiers who've had each other's backs for so long that they just know one another and care for each other), which for an action flick, is just amazing. She also has a pretty big role in the finale (second only to Tony's, I think). And her costume, while sexy, is no more sexified than any of the menfolk (it helps that Joss Whedon apparently considered that half of his audience would/could be female and indulged some equal opportunity fanservice. Possibly more than equal...)

Also, there is Agent Hill, who only has a small, but intense role. And I was very pleased to notice that while they're in the SHIELD headquarters, it looks like half of the agents and staff are women. Just background characters, like the rest of SHIELD, but to me, seeing two women marching down the corridor in military garb when it could have just as easily been two men is kind of a big deal in an action flick.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh my god, I definitely have to see this movie now. I know it might sound ridiculous but just the idea of unnamed female extras in positions of implied power is so much more awesome to me than a 'special' woman character. Maybe just because so often they're treated outside of the norm, like they overcame their inherent handicap or something.

[elialshadowpine]

I LOVED Black Widow. She's one of the strongest characters in the movie, imo. If you haven't seen it, I don't want to go into too much detail because spoilers, but I thought that they did a phenomenal job. :)

[(Anonymous)]

There *was* the mewling quim line, though. Basically it's the slightly-less modern way to say whining cunt. I might have been fine with it (it's used by the bad guy), but Whedon was so proud of getting it past the censors.

[(Anonymous)]

Plus said bad guy has no real reason to use it, other than "because Joss Whedon wanted him to".

[roguebelle]

I actually really loved this commentary on that whole issue.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh ICK, ICK ICK! I hate the world mewling with it's kittenish implications. I actually just prefer whining. They found the only word with even less implied power than whining. Ha ha, sneaky wordplay misogyny is so funny.