[ SECRET POST #1990 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1990 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Calvin and Hobbes]


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[Golden Sun]


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[Downton Abbey]


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[Beyond: Two Souls]


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[Veep]


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[John Cooper Clarke]


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[Kristen Stewart]


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[A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones]


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[The Social Network]


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[Ray Bradbury]


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[Protomen]


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[Hamish & Andy]


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[Falling Skies]


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[Hetalia]


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[Legend of Korra]


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[Dragon Age: Origins]


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[Minecraft]


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[Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable]


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[Avengers]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 025 secrets from Secret Submission Post #284.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I've been in this fandom for over a year in both LJ, Tumblr and DA and never ever encountered this. Other types of fuckery yes, but I've never seen a, say, a Swede now claiming he's Japanese.

[(Anonymous)]

She's probably talking about Americans claiming to be German or Polish or Italian or whatever because their ancestors came from that country. Which tons of American do without having watched Hetalia.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh now I get it. Yeah I've seen this type of thing from Americans and I'm like...... lol wow.

Mixing pot, remember?

[(Anonymous)]

DA

That's what I think, too. A lot of the Hetalia fans are young, so it could be that it's because of Hetalia that they've first grown interested in where their ancestors came from. I don't think that's a bad thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Random question about this, because I often too feel weird when my fellow Americans are like "I'm French and German and English and...etc...", but I will readily say that I'm Irish when asked. All four of my grandparents were born in Ireland and immigrated to Boston (which, in case you're not American and therefore maybe wouldn't know this detail, is very, very Irish) in the '40s.

I'm all conflicted. :/ Don't want to seem like an ignorant American appropriating another national identity but I am proud of being Irish.

[(Anonymous)]

Have you lived in Ireland? Do Irish people, by which I mean like people from and living in Ireland, consider you Irish the way they consider themselves? If yes, sure, Irish. If not, not Irish.
(Boston is not nearly as Irish as Ireland. Ireland didn't stop existing when your grandparents left it - people are still born there, living there, having their contemporary culture, being Irish).

[(Anonymous)]

DA, but I also don't think that a group of people leaving a country and making a home in another country necessarily erases the ancestry of that group or their immediate descendants, either.

[(Anonymous)]

It doesn't erase ancestry, but it's ancestry, not nationality - I'm from a disaspora as well, but I'm not from my grandparents' country.

[(Anonymous)]

(also DA)

the other thing that should probably be considered is that when people from the U.S. say "I'm Irish" to each other, everybody is aware that they are not actually claiming to be a citizen of Ireland. It's a widely-recognized shorthand for "I have Irish ancestry that I happen to know about." I'm assuming, then, that it gets weird when Americans post the like online because they are sometimes unaware that the shorthand for "Irish ancestry" is not actually recognized in, say, Ireland. I see it more as a language difference than a values one.

[(Anonymous)]

That's what you'd hope, and then sometimes some of them visit your country for their first time ever and say in all sincerity they're totally just like you, when they're really totally just like American tourists, and you start doubting everything... :(

[(Anonymous)]

Irish is being used to mean "descended from an Irish person" not "current Irish citizen". This is an important part of American culture, for example with such terms as African-American and Japanese-American. It's announcing heritage, not current citizenship.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't agree at all with this. What about immigrants? Nationality/Identification shouldn't be left up to the current citizens to decide only. If you feel a personal connection with a culture and change your citizenship out of a genuine love I don't think it disqualifies you still. I mean, to say you are a different race would be disingenuous but this situation seems different to me. Maybe it's because I am more then one race, but often those who are are made to feel like they don't belong anywhere because of that. They are too much of one thing and not the other for both sides of their cultural identity as dictated by the 'purists'. I agree that random appropriation of a national identity without any care for what that might actually mean is gross and incorrect, but I wouldn't be so quick to label what locals think as the qualification because that can be influenced by all sorts of things.

[kallanda_lee]

I identify as a mix of cultures (that of my mom, my dad, and the country I was born in) and personally I think that's different. I mean, if you can actually trace your grandparents back there, I think it's completely normal you might identify with a certain ethnicity. But I would find it weird if someone who has no personal connection to that culture/language/nationality to suddenly proclaim they're say, German, because they found one German ancestor from 1701.

[aislingthegreat.livejournal.com]

Well, on the one hand, in my experience most Irish people would just consider you American (Irish person living in Ireland here.) On the other hand, if your grandparents are/were Irish citizens then AFAIK you automatically qualify for Irish citizenship, so you can probably get away with it.:)

[honk]

your ancestry is irish so it's in your blood, but you're not culturally irish if you don't actually practice irish culture. calling yourself irish has one (or both) of these meanings so you're not wrong in identifying as irish. there's a difference between what you ARE and what you actively practice, but both are fine.

for instance i'm australian, i was born and raised in queensland. i moved to the states several years ago but when people as i still call myself australian even though i don't live there anymore. if people probe me further i'll tell them i'm british because my ancestors were mostly british, therefore i have british blood. i'm not culturally british but that doesn't negate my ancestry.

for people claiming this is an american thing - people do this everywhere, especially if they hold an interest in their lineage. it's common in australia too. as the united states has people of all ancestries and cultures, many prefer to identify with their grandparents' or great-grandparents' identities because it's close in the bloodline. they have every right to do this whether you like it or not. it's not appropriation, it's an actual part of them, even if they aren't culturally a part of the area they're identifying with.

[(Anonymous)]

people everywhere do not do this. i am trying not to be skeeved at you personally because i realise it's normal for your culture, but do you realise how incredibly fucking skeevy it is for some of us to conceive of 'in your blood' as something real and concrete like you are.

[honk]

ok but it is though, i don't really know how else to explain that ancestry is a part of somebody genetically except to just tell it like it is. and what do you know of "my culture" like thanks for the thinly veiled insult but this has nothing to do with ~skeeving you out, nobody is aiming to personally offend you when they justify their identities.

[kallanda_lee]

Well, but "in the blood" is actually how some countries determine nationality/descendance.

[cashay]

I have to disagree with the whole "It's in your blood thing" because honestly it isn't. You might be related to someone from country xy but that doesn't mean you're from there.

Of course it's different if say your grandparents/parents are from xy and you grew up learning both cultures but it's not in your blood. Just cause you share some genes with someone from somewhere doesn't mean you are from the same country.

Also what if someone was say French but lived a considerable time in Spain, then came back to France and had children. Can those children claim spanish heritage? Since after all their mother lived in that country and absorbed big parts of their culture.

On another note I don't see what exactly makes you "culturally irish" I mean a person who doesn't doesn't take part in any irish tradition but grew up and lived in ireland all his life is still Irish right?

I really hope I'm not offending you here, I know this is probably a touchy topic and there are a lot of personal feelings involved. My nearly complete lack of identifying with my own country probably doesn't help much in understanding other people in this aspect^^

[(Anonymous)]

That reminds me of something of how I think of myself.

I've lived in Queensland for close on 14 years now, but I still consider myself a NSW ex-pat a lot of the time.

[(Anonymous)]

Who the fuck cares? You're all white anyway, so...

[(Anonymous)]

So what? Doesn't mean we're all interchangeable. That's kinda like saying Indian and African is sort of the same things.

[(Anonymous)]

So they still don't have a wide variety of unique cultures/ancestry and can't feel anything about that?

Oh

[iggy]

...Yeah people from immigrant nations do this a lot. It's not unique to Hetalia fans.

[al28894]

Same here. I've been into Hetalia since early high school and I've never even heard of this until today.