[ SECRET POST #2005 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2005 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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08. http://i.imgur.com/H1X1Z.gif
[linked because uh not sure if this is porn or not; live action]


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[porn of the drawn variety - Tintin]


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11. [SPOILER WARNING for Hourou Musuko]



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12. [SPOILER WARNING for Prometheus]



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13. [SPOILER WARNING for Homestuck]



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14. [SPOILER WARNING for Avengers]



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17. [WARNING for ... pretty sure this has something to do with rape]



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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #286.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[tabaqui]

I just really don't see this 'omg horrible person!!' in Tony Stark. Annoying at times? Probably. Privileged? Well, duh. But a bad person? I really kinda doubt it.

[(Anonymous)]

Basically this.

Heaven forbid he be a sarcastic asshole with PTSD in addition to being a hero who helps save the world.

But I guarantee if he were a boy scout, everyone would complain about how boring he is.

[tabaqui]

Pretty much this.

My UK friend tells me he was a bit more abrasive in the comics but movie!Tony is pretty damn neat. And really - is he *really* an asshole, even? He finds out in passing that Coulson's cellist has moved back to Portland and suddenly in a scene we have him offering to fly Coulson to Portland! I mean...that's pretty damn nice. I dunno. I just don't get the 'person who is to be hated' vibe from movie!Tony at all.

[got_swagger]

I think he can come across as an asshole, from the way he talks and acts from time to time. But ultimately, he's not too bad.

He's super arrogant, but even then that gets tempered by the people around him like Pepper (♥) and even JARVIS, who is basically PROGRAMMED by Tony to argue with Tony.

[tabaqui]

Ah ha ha! I love that Jarvis will take him down a notch and he *put that there*. Or, at the very least, the possibility of it, and didn't 'fix' it when it started to happen.

[(Anonymous)]

You know how some fandoms' Fridge Brilliance can be kind of sickening and recast the characters' actions in a pretty nasty light? Iron Man is the opposite -- the more you think and reason about the various aspects of Tony Stark and the characters' relationships and motives, the more adorable and awesome it is.

[intrigueing.livejournal.com]

I've always been certain that Jarvis was an AI that developed from something more basic to his present form through learning and experience and stuff. I mean, Tony's a genius, so I could see him figuring out how to create an AI with the capability to grow and learn, but he's only one person, and no way could he sit down and program an AI with all of Jarvis' social abilities. I mean, Jarvis can improvise and make guesses and use common sense, to make suggestions for situations that have no protocol (like asking if Tony wanted to call Pepper before he died), etc. Plus, no way is Tony going to put that much trust in something with rigid enough programing to go HAL 9000.

[intrigueing.livejournal.com]

Yeah -- Tony's demeanor and attitude is leagues more assholish than any of his actual actions. He doesn't do things that make you go "what a dick!", he just acts like the type of person who people would expect to do dickish things.

I've mentioned this once before to a friend -- Tony's basically the diametric opposite of Charles Xavier in X-Men First Class. They both qualify as a Jerk With A Heart Of Gold, but Charles is a good-spirited and morally-conscious and idealistic guy who keeps engaging in random acts of face-palming dickery in a totally nice way; while Tony is an extremely abrasive and irritating and assholish guy who keeps doing amazingly great and selfless and sweet things in a totally rude way.

[tabaqui]

I don't know enough about Xavier to say yes or no, but that's pretty interesting. :)

[fae_boleyn]

Oh my God. I never thought of the Tony vs. XMFC!Xavier one, but... You make a very good point. Although Tony is at least aware of the effects of his actions, even if he pretends not to be. Charles has this huge blind spot to when he's being a dick, generally.

[alexi_lupin]

omg I love this comment.

[(Anonymous)]

OP
That's my problem. My favorite characters are usually combination of sarcastic assholes with mental issues such as PTSD, because they aren't boring. For some reason I just have strong dislike of Tony Stark.

[insanenoodlyguy]

Could it be the alcoholism? It's subtle in the movies compared to the comics, but it's still there.

[intrigueing.livejournal.com]

This seems perfectly natural and fine to me -- maybe he just pings something on your radar that consistently rubs you the wrong way. I also have certain fictional characters that I have no reason to hate and who I actually would describe as good and likable people, but who I just can't stand to watch or read about because they set my teeth on edge for some indefinable reason.

But if you want to learn to like him, I'd recommend you try and read some good fic about him. I can't count the number of characters I fell in love with because a great fic made something just click into place in my brain and make me "get it".

[(Anonymous)]

Thirding the "I would normally like this type of character but I can't with this specific one" sentiment.

It's probably something subconscious, the kind of thing that is registered deep in your mind but that you don't actively remember.

I also second the read some good fic recommendation. Sometimes seeing the character's mind through someone's eyes can help you see aspects of the character that you were overlooking and come to like them more.

If you want to, that is! No one should force you to like something or someone you don't.

[castorochiaro]

Absolutely this. Tony wants to be a good person. It legitimately BOTHERS him when Steve calls him out on his behavior and basically insinuates that he's worthless as a hero. Tony doesn't think of himself as a hero, but that doesn't mean he isn't trying to turn things around after years of advocating war and violence.

And that's why he's my favorite Avenger. He can be snarky and flippant, but he does have a heart.

[tabaqui]

Yes! He may have some bitterness because of his father over Cap, but he also wanted Captain friggin' America to respect him.

He's so utterly crushed when Yinsen dies and you can *see* him resolving to become a better person. And he *does*.

[intrigueing.livejournal.com]

The "and he *does*" part is the reason I like him so much, I think -- every time I rewatch any of the movies his sheer strength of character never fails to make me go "damn".

[tabaqui]

Yes! I love that he goes home and within a day has trashed his weapons manufacturing and then, when he finds out about Stane doing back-room deals he is *furious* and immediately fixes it. He really *is* a good guy, he just hasn't ever had to develop social skills.

(Or, more likely, he developed his more annoying tendencies to keep people off his back and keep his dad from totally demolishing him.)

[(Anonymous)]

My two cents? It's a coping method. Everyone wants something from him, and he just doesn't have the time, resources, or patience to deal with it. And since no one just wants to *be* around him, he's an asshole so they'll just tell him already and leave, instead of pretending to like him and breaking his heart when they finally get around to it.

Totally projecting my reasons for talking 'smart' around my classmates at an early age, though, so you never know. It's just, he graduated university before most people would be done high school. I can't imagine he had any choice besides doormat (similar to Bruce Banner's portrayal) or mouthy little brat that never takes anything lying down (closer to Steve Rogers).

Granted I also think he's the greatest thing Marvel ever created because he's an *engineer* and got his powers through doing everything right under pressure, as opposed to a random mistake.

[writerserenyty]

I agree. He's kind of annoying and definitely has the privilege, but him being a good person was pretty much the point of the first Iron Man movie, IMO.

[intrigueing.livejournal.com]

THIS. I don't get how anyone can call him a bad person. Obnoxious and arrogant and not always in the right? Sure. But bad? Never.

I could definitely hate a character who acted like him, but who had started as a better person and started sliding into his present personality; but seeing as he started out as a massive tool and started improving himself and trying to become a good person and did a damn great job at not losing sight of that goal...I'm far more impressed than anything.

This was kind of the reason I didn't like Iron Man 2 all that much -- the character arc wasn't really something I was all that jazzed to see in a movie about a guy trying to redeem himself. I mean, yeah, he was having a meltdown at the time so it's not like it was actually OOC or anything, but as a story it was unsatisfying because I wanted to see him keep clawing his way up the redemption ladder, not "whoops, sudden detour into hitting rock bottom!" because, y'know, he started at rock bottom (and a movie is just very different from the comics, which is a long, episodic, never-finished series in which characters never age and status quo is god) and why dump him back there again so soon? It didn't actually damage the character at all, but it felt like a bit of a waste.

[tabaqui]

Yeah, it was a little bleh as far as storylines go, but really, if you think about addicts and people who have as many issues as he does - it makes sense. He *would* have his moments/days/weeks of back sliding and losing his grip. But even in the midst of all that, he wanted to be the better person and not put his *dying* onto anyone. Which - dear gods, but he was trying.

To be honest, i always found people like House and Tony Stark and whatnot kinda fun. I *like* people who speak their minds when it really counts - i like smart people who can explain stuff, even if they get a little condescending.

[(Anonymous)]

I love characters like them too, but only if they're just jerks and not abusive. In later seasons of House I couldn't even watch because of how he was putting the other characters through the wringer just to feel better himself.

Tony, though... He *tries* just so hard to be better for the people around him. Only he's been on his own so long that he never thinks to ask for help when the people who love him would still listen. He honestly thinks he's helping by not putting his own issues on Pepper and Rhodey in IM2

The biggest thing for me, though? He honestly seems happy to see his youngest fans. Maybe not the adults, but the kids? Who just need someone to believe in? Being able to connect with children just melts me.

[tabaqui]

I didn't watch house to the end but yeah, they seemed to kind of go overboard in the end, there. Tony never really seems to make other people feel bad just for the sake of making them feel bad, which shoots him right up to the top of that kind of crowd.

I do love it when someone can be nice to a kid without treating them like an idiot or a pet. That's always neat. :)