[ SECRET POST #2022 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2022 ⌋

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 088 secrets from Secret Submission Post #289.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Unnecessary Overthinking

[morieris]

But how do you know that the villain won't turn on you in the long run? Or do you plan to get them to lower their guard so YOU can turn on THEM?

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[galerian-ash.livejournal.com]

I don't necessary think that villains are more untrustworthy than heroes, when it comes to their followers/sidekicks/whatever! In fact, sometimes I almost think they're more loyal -- I can think of a few examples where a bad guy sticks with their partner only because s/he cares for them, despite the fact that s/he disagrees with their methods.

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[insanenoodlyguy]

Yeah, but once they rule the world, they have all at their beck and call. And you are probably a liability.

The thing about the kinda sociopath that will kill babies and rape dogs? They aren't good with the whole loyalty thing.

And those are the types that wanna rule the world. That, or they are cold emotionless logic robots that won't care about you.

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[(Anonymous)]

Not necessarily. Evil isn't a black and white thing; in order to want to rule the world you don't HAVE to be a sociopath who kills babies and rapes dogs. In fact, I quite believe the sociopathic types would rather destroy the world instead of ruling over it...! But really, evil isn't limited to "crazy sociopath", "moustache-twirling creep" and "emotionless drone". It's a big rainbow made out of shades of eeeeeevil!!

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[insanenoodlyguy]

No, but the rest would be stopped before they succeed. You'd either have to be a supergenius devoid of emotion or a complete bastard to pull it off.

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[(Anonymous)]

Um, why exactly would they be stopped? And why do you need to be devoid of emotion in order to be a supergenius? :|

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[grammarie]

I wonder if conquerors throughout history were all "crazy sociopath", "moustache-twirling creep" or "emotionless drone". I doubt it. Still, I'd keep on their good side.

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[(Anonymous)]

What about the villains who want to rule the world because they think they'd make it a better place?

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[insanenoodlyguy]

They very rarely win.

Unless it's Doom.

Doom let demons flay his one true love alive and wore her skin for arcane power.

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[fenm]

In other words, someone so arrogant they think they have the answer to all the world's problems? Yeah, imagine what would happen if you tell them you think they're doing something wrong...

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[(Anonymous)]

Look at Russell Edgington and Talbot.

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[kelincihutan]

A particular bad guy might be everything you said, but you could never be sure of that. To paraphrase from one of the awesome narrations from Burn Notice, if you steal with a guy, you know he's a thief; if you kill with a guy, you know he's a murderer; if you do any crime at all with him, you know he's a liar; and if you take over the world with him, you know he doesn't like to share power. So, unless this scenario involves telepathy, you could never know if he was thinking of turning on you at some point. Ever. Trust problems are standard issue on the evil side of the morality spectrum.

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[insanenoodlyguy]

That is the best quote ever for this. +1!

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[darkmanifest]

Trust problems are standard issue in every relationship, whatever morals someone may claim to have. With good guys, you also can never be sure of when or why they'll justify an exception to their own morals or promises to you (especially for the "greater good"), and if you'll be in the middle of those consequences. An outright villain, if you're practical dealing with them, there's no such illusions, no expectation of blind faith. If you know he steals, you don't leave shit lying around; you know he kills, you make yourself valuable alive; you know he lies, you verify his claims instead of trusting them. You know already, so while you can't pinpoint the exact moment of future betrayal, you know it's coming and have an option to prepare or accept. There is no trust to lose.

Not saying any of this is a smart life plan, but it's about as smart as blind faith in someone's largely theoretical morality. Some people would rather know the devil than take a chance in the deep blue sea.

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[kelincihutan]

So, since you know that this person can't be trusted at the outset...don't go falling in love with them and assuming they'll let you share their power when they take over the world!

Also, we're not talking about theoretical morality, we're talking about someone's observable actions and the conclusions you can draw from them. With good guys, once you observe that they are good, you can pretty safely figure they won't betray your trust without some pretty exceptional circumstances to push them into it. With bad guys, well...they're bad. They're not trustworthy by definition.

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[majorshipper]

Burn Notice, my precious back when you were good

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[anonymouslyyours]

I have such a thing for the way Jeffery Donovan narrates that show. Just the tone of his voice man!

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not OP, but, the way I see it, you don't need to be good to love somebody else! I think evil people can have loved ones they care about too. The fact that they are evil doesn't immediatly mean they are utterly incapable of maintaining relationships or loving people... that's a whole 'nother sack of potatoes!

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[(Anonymous)]

This!

I really wish there was more fic in which the bad guys are in love and remain bad guys.

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[(Anonymous)]

Same!! I find evil characters utterly fascinating, and it makes me sad to see them misrepresented :(

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[insanenoodlyguy]

THEY ARE EVIL.

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[solarbaby614]

This! I have a strange fascination with evil characters that fall in love with either good guys or completely normal people.

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[stainless]

+1... 000

I'll never understand why people think all villains are either: completely devoid of caring feelings of any sort, or Evil Lite: Really A Woobie.

Zbuh?

If everyone wrote only two flavors of Good Guy no one would read anything by now.

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[majorshipper]

This is not unnecessary. This is important shit to consider. I worked it all out when I was a kid; I'd totally double-cross them before they crossed me and there would probably be daggers involved.

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[(Anonymous)]

lol n00b to the magic pussy