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fandomsecrets2012-10-20 04:07 pm
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[ SECRET POST #2118 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2118 ⌋
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(Anonymous) 2012-10-20 08:42 pm (UTC)(link)It's like the post-movie fandom generally accepted post-trailer fanon and refused to move past it. The characters are mostly written using the same used and boring patterns and cliches that have little to do with canon or annoyingly exaggerate some canon traits and I just can't read another Steve!the blushing virgin, Tony!the crazy, wooby babbler, Clint!the immature joker, Natasha!the unfeeling assassin, THOR!THE CAPCLOCK POPTARTS LOVER and Bruce!the shy cutie thing. I just can't. And I would love to go hide in some corner of the Steve/Tony fandom that favours comics or EMH but it feels so damn small, like I've already read everything, so I go back to the movie!verse fics and get angry at writers again...
And why are Steve/Tony so fixated on DUM-E? Also, Jarvis as a sentient being (which in the movies he rather wasn't) got old after ten stories, thank you very much.
Such a vicious circle, really. I think I need another hobby. (I am exaggerating a bit, I know, but it's not like I'm very wrong, unfortunately.)
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Hey now, Dum-E saved Tony's life in IM1. Tony's bots are seriously the most fucking adorable things in the franchise, they're practically his pets. And they almost definitely have feelings, even if they don't have human-level sentience. I mean, come on, they make droopy heads and sadfaces when Tony yells at them, and Dum-E gave Tony aliteral puppy-dog eyes expression made of washers and bolts.
As for JARVIS being sentient...I think that trend is because Jarvis was a human butler in the comics and quite a mainstay in the Avengers books, so the jump comic book fans will make is that he's a sentient AI rather than just a Majel-Roddenberry-Star-Trek-Computer-type one, and the rest of the fans bandwagoned. I dunno, I think it's possible to interpret him as either sentient or non-sentient, there's nothing in the films as far as I can recall to prove or disprove the idea.
Also, if you're running into those Avengers stereotypes that frequently, my suggestion is get the hell off AO3. The Avengers tag in that place is...I don't even know how to explain what happened. It just failed all over into some weird insular groupthink.
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And honestly, this is a weird thing to say, but the gen fics on the kinkmeme are quite often really good, if somewhat simplistic and concept-driven, and when they aren't, they're usually blatantly schmoopy and superficial enough to be recognized as crap in the summary or first few paragraphs.
ETA: ok wait wait, I have to also add a rec for margo_kim, also on AO3 and LJ. Her fic is mindblowingly amazing, and she only started write a few weeks ago but seems to be putting out a lot of fics quite frequently.
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I'd like to find the gems on the kinkmeme but while I'm not afraid to dive into the ffn dumpster to fish out the hidden jewels, the kinkmemes just stump me. They feel so disorganized and I never know where to start looking.
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(Anonymous) 2012-10-20 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)I know that DUM-E and JARVIS are both important to Iron Man's plot, I do and I love them, DUM-E and his droopiness especially, but after running into so many stories that made them central to Tony and Steve getting together it kinda started to annoy me. Like, you know, some things are cool if used once, twice, but when they turn into a thing they become unbearable. It was similar with the Superfamily trope for me. As for Peter's character development I think him being raised by, well, anyone else than Aunt May and Uncle Ben just doesn't work but I was cool with an idea of such a cracktastic AU, I thought it was funny and that it could have potential if written well. But then Superfamily started to pop up everywhere and now I can't even think about it without grinding my teeth. (Okay, I don't actually grind my anything while thinking about fanfiction I don't like, but you get my drift :)
As for places in which I look for fic - you're right, of course, but I do try to check LJ Communities (cap_ironman, mainly), as well, but most entries lead to AO3 anyway. As for other possibilities, I don't hold FF.net in very high regard (I mean, there is a lot of great fanfiction there, but you always have to dearch through so much crap to get to the good stuff) and at first I did google some other archives but they looked kinda abandoned... Can you give me some good advice on fic searching? I would anonymously love you forever! :D
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My main source of fanfic is rec lists, tbh. I just search for rec lists on google and glance over them, and if I like the look of the reccer's tastes and proclivities, I'll invest time in reading the fics they recced.
My other suggestion is search by association, not category. By which I mean, instead of looking through archives by certain characters/pairings/fandoms, gather some of your favorite stories, and read everything the authors of those stories wrote. Then gather the authors who have written multiple stories that you liked, and check out the stories in those authors' favorites/bookmarks/rec lists. Also, try and see if you can find out which other authors those authors admire, and check out the stories written by those new authors.
Admittedly, this approach unfortunately raises your likelihood of missing solo gems by nonprolific authors, but in a fandom with as much explosive disorganized fic output as the Avengers, it's the most efficient way to get the maximum amount of goodfic while avoiding badfic as much as possible.
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(Anonymous) 2012-10-20 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)(It's okay if you are, but I thought I'd suggest it anyway.)
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(Anonymous) 2012-10-20 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)I'm totally planning on getting onboard of Clint/Natasha ship :) (I kind of am an extreme OTP-er, who wishes she would not be such an extreme OTP-er, because it totally narrows my possibilities :) I like some comics pairings, but there's not a lot of fanfic for them :/ Still, I know what I should do, but I still am so very bitter that I have to take such drastic steps at all x)
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Or they turn Bruce into some dorky stuttering blushing anime-style girly man. What.
Like I've said elsewhere, if you're going for a dynamic that's very different from canon, be my guest, but please tell us how you actually got there.
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Or they turn Bruce into some dorky stuttering blushing anime-style girly man. What.
Argh, yes. *headdesk* And I really like that pairing and want to read more. But not that!
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And they find it impossible to wrap their minds around the idea that in spite of how screwed-up he is relative to normal people, he's comparatively the most well-adjusted and secure (and, possibly, the happiest) character of the bunch as of the film's end. Certainly more than the PTSD-afflicted ex-soldier who lost his entire world, the alien whose little brother tried to become a mass-murdering dictator, the eccentric and anti-social assassin who got horrifically mind-fucked and traumatized and killed a load of people, the paranoid and anti-social other assassin who was indoctrinated and trained to kill from childhood, or the guy who spent six years of his life as a fugitive from the law while dealing with the worst personality disorder in the history of mental health conditions.
b) is, I suppose, that good ol' fashioned eye-rolling vicious-cycle Flanderization that happens when people focus too much on how ~adorbs~ the actor is rather than how grim and bitter and savvy the character is.
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(Anonymous) 2012-10-21 03:51 am (UTC)(link)And while I agree with you on the main points, I disagree that populair pairings end up more OOC. I've seen plenty of wonky characterizations in less popular pairings, too. It's just that those massively popular pairs tend to go OOC in oddly specific ways as everyone copies from each other, and that there is a much larger quantity of it.
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(Anonymous) 2012-10-20 09:45 pm (UTC)(link)Yes, but he wasn't nearing complete incoherence and craziness, like he tends to in fanfiction. He wasn't a cute, clueless puppy. Come on, he seemed to be the oldest person on the Initiative (um, counting normal, not frozen years and excluding Thor, I guess? I'm not 100% sure of this, but I always thought of him as such), he might have been a prankster and a joker but, to paraphrase IM1, "contrary to popular belief, he knew exactly what he was doing". Fanon!Tony is often shown to behave like a teenager in an old man's body, I think. But that's only my opinion :)
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Yeah, he's immature and jokey enough to make it plausible for him to be characterized as "the goofy one", but he definitely shows his age and worldliness in the movie, so I'm not sure why he's so often characterized as the naive little kid of the team who always gets taken care of. It's...weird.
Like, okay, fine, I admit I'm influenced by how it works the comics here, but if you're writing everyone-lives-in-his-tower fics, I'd assume he'd be sort of their landlord/manager/guy-who-takes-care-of-all-their-legal-and-financial-and-PR-woes. It's a really interesting dynamic in the comics they way Tony and Steve work in tandem with these strictly-outlined roles and divisions of labor wrt taking care of all the other Avengers on and off the field.
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All this is pretty much why I've been dealing with Avengers fandom with a long-handled spoon. I'm sure I could dive feet-first into it, but then I'd end up clawing my way out after only a little while of this.
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