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That said, I don't exactly dislike him and I certainly don't wish him death, so lets hope that Loki is not a real thing.

MCU Loki (and to an extent other variations of Marvel's Loki-- just look at JiM) is definitely wounded-- though a lot of it was brought entirely on himself and none of it excuses the fact that he's also batshit insane. But I can get behind Tom's feelings about Loki's inner desolation. Loki is like an angsty teenager honestly.

I think that explains why so many of Loki's fans are teenage girls.

though a lot of it was brought entirely on himself and none of it excuses the fact that he's also batshit insane

But that's what I meant, though. Clearly even if Loki is wounded he shouldn't be excused for his actions; none of that makes what he does okay. The more Hiddles talks about how wounded Loki is the more I feel he's excusing him. Maybe that's not the case, but at the very least I'm tired of hearing about it.

you know, I sometimes wonder if he talks about it so much because he wants to defend his love for the character. Because it's obvious he ADORES Loki, but Loki is a bad guy, and he wants to make sure no one thinks he's a weirdo because of it. Idk. Either that or it's because he's an olympic champion babbler, which we already know, and Loki just gets pulled into his crazy talk sometimes.

That might be it. I guess to me Loki is so insanely popular that I don't see why he should have to defend his love for the character. He plays the character, good or not he's obviously getting something out of it, and it isn't unusual that he would have some positive and complicated feelings for the character.

I don't think he's excusing him at all. It's just that a lot of people can't understand that just because a character might be wounded emotionally and have a lot of issues, that doesn't mean he can't also commit inexcusable and unforgiveable actions.

This is why you get the split in fandom between ridiculous Loki stans and people that think Loki's just a one-off villain - there's a weird idea that either you can sympathize with a character and therefore think he's not really a bad guy, or you cannot sympathize with a character because he's a bad guy. There's no in between for a lot of people, which I, personally, think is kind of silly.

NEGL I used to be kind of iffy about Hiddleston's take on the character until I read his letter to Kieron Gillen (which totally didn't really fit with kid Loki, but I guess when you consider Siege Loki, yeah...) http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/10/25/loki-actor-tom-hiddleston-fan-letter-kieron-gillen-journey-into-mystery/

Jere's a weird idea that either you can sympathize with a character and therefore think he's not really a bad guy, or you cannot sympathize with a character because he's a bad guy.

This is exactly what I think goes on in my fandom about my favorite characters/OTP. People either make them misunderstood, completely woobify one of them, or completely cannot allow that they might do anything that makes any sense at all.

Where, for me, the attraction is that they're villains. Not just that they're awful, but that there's a tension between their being attractive and interesting and their being, well, evil jerkfaces.

I definitely think Loki's got issues and that those issues are clear in the movie. Maybe that's why I think Hiddles emphasizes them too much in interviews? I can understand sympathizing with Loki to a degree, but like you said, there are so many people in fandom who don't stop there; they don't think he's responsible for his own actions. Or if he is, they think those actions are justified. I even like Loki, and I really did sympathize with him in Thor, and I do think he's a complex guy...but some of Tom's comments make me question how he sees Loki. And some fans take what Tom says and run with it. Especially the 'Loki just needs a hug' thing. I imagine he said it jokingly, but often feel fandom didn't catch that part.

Now if he spoke about Loki all the time in this manner, I would be more inclined to agree with him.

I think it makes sense, in some ways, if the actor who plays Loki is on his 'side' as it were. It probably helps to get into character to play him if you sympathize. Not always, but I remember Kevin Bacon talking about Sebastian Shaw's side of the story in the XMFC special features, and it seems similar. Hiddleston does a lot more of it, and obviously loves the character he plays, but it feels similar to me.

Yeah, I actually remember hearing some kind of acting special talking about how most actors who make a habit of playing villains or nutjobs are usually nicer and more laid-back than average, because they're so nice naturally they don't feel uncomfortable with acting like horrible people or indulging in the darker aspects of their personality, if that's their method, because it doesn't hit home for them, so they have an easy time of it.

See, as I mentioned in another comment, I think it's perfectly normal that he sympathizes with the character, and even that he's on his 'side'. I just think he can do that without making it sound like he's excusing Loki’s actions because of his emotional drama. An anon mentioned they didn't think that was Hiddles' intention, and that's possible too. Still, the amount of comments like this that he's made makes me wary.

If an angsty teenager was a genocidal maniac tho.

lbr if they had access to the kind of power Loki has access to, a lot of them would be :p

lol I don't really agree with that.

If by "genocidal maniac" you mean "would be locked in their bedroom magicking their genitals and watching astral projections get it on" sure.

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It depends. If they had access to the kind of power Loki has access to, I think a fair number of teenagers would end up killing people or small groups of people on impulse. A not insignificant proportion of them would then immediately panic and try to fix it.

I think there are actually not that many teenagers, really, who respond to stress by crafting and executing complicated plans to DESTROY EVERYTHING. There are a few. But not very many.

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Huh? What does that expression represent?

In this situation it represents, "But none of this excuses Loki for his horrible actions so why do you keep on and on and...never-mind. I'll just sit quietly and eventually it'll pass over." Except of course, it never does. It never does...

The main character of this racist tv series I hate.

I only saw a couple of out of sequence episodes of Castle - why is it racist?

I have nothing to say to this because I've never seen Castle. I loved Nathan in Firefly though.

Why is this all you said? If you're gonna start something, then by gods, follow through. Otherwise, you're no better than hanging chad.

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+1 to the subject line and gif.

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