[ SECRET POST #2144 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2144 ⌋

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Comments

[brightblueink]

Not in the fandom and I've never seen the show, but sometimes people like to ship stuff even if it doesn't fit with canon. As long as people don't try to say it's canon, I don't really care.

also from what I've heard this show intentionally teases the ship? So even if it's not canon I don't think it's really surprising if people would ship it anyway...

[(Anonymous)]

It's more like queerbaiting -- they're teasing the ship, yes, but Moffat and his ideas of sexuality are going to keep Sherlock/John canon.

[(Anonymous)]

I meant not canon. Moffat isn't getting those two together.

[brightblueink]

Yeah, I know it's queerbaiting. I'm just saying, even if the show and the creators make it clear a pairing isn't going to become a couple, if they go out of their way to tease the ship it doesn't surprise me that people might ship it.

[(Anonymous)]

Word.

Hell, the fandom's second favorite ship is Mycroft/Lestrade. Two characters who thus far have never shared a scene together and only once has one character mentiond the other.

Now that's determination to get your slash!

[(Anonymous)]

uuugh gosh fandom mentality for these kind of pairings are the worst

(the most awful examples are clint/coulson and mystrade i mean jfc stoP)

[brightblueink]

>mfw I totally ship a pairing in one of my fandoms with two characters that never meet

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure familiar with the particular pairings in question, but most people I know who ship pairings that have little to no contact in canon mostly ship them as crack pairings. You get the occasional person who's super serious about it, but mostly they just do it because it's fun and the more popular pairings in the fandom don't really do it for them. *shrug*

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

I've only watched Sherlock recently and to me, that's a huge surprise. Sherlock's Lestrade is very likeable, but their version of Mycroft is so.. off-putting. He just looks off and ugly and acts weird.

[(Anonymous)]

Hey, I ship Moriarty/Moran, and Moran hasn't even been on the show yet!

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it's intentional queerbaiting, like other anon said. Lots of "lol no homo" moments, basically. Sherlock is so awesomely manly that he just can't be bothered with women. Except for lesbians that he turns straight through the power of his manliness. Seriously, though, what was that storyline?

[(Anonymous)]

Except for lesbians that he turns straight through the power of his manliness.

Anon, that story never happened.

You hear me? Never. Happened. 0_0

[fenm]

Are you me? (-:

[(Anonymous)]

SA - I do my best to just block it from my mind, but occasionally I remember and I find myself randomly kicking over chairs and tossing stacks of paper into the air in dramatic fashion. Seriously, though... so much potential there and they have to ruin it. SIGH.

[brightblueink]

...

I'm starting to think it's a pretty good thing I've never really wanted to check out this show because lol what.

[(Anonymous)]

SA - It's not my favorite show ever, but I do enjoy it. It's entertaining, but not quite as brilliant as a lot of people want to make it out to be. There are a lot of things that make me tilt my head to the side and go, "Really? REALLY?", though. Like the aforementioned stuff with Irene. And all of The Blind Banker episode.

[sarnath]

Irene Adler turned straight? I think you're imagining things, nonnie.

And people assuming two young men living together may actually be together is queerbaiting? Especially considering that Scandal pretty much confirmed that John was in love with Sherlock.

[(Anonymous)]

It did? When?

[sarnath]

Irene tells John that he and Sherlock are a couple, and he says he's not gay. Her answer: "Well I am. Look at us both." He doesn't deny it.

I mean, it's not as clear as actually saying "we're both in love with him", but for anyone not requiring being beat over the head with the meanings of what people say, it's crystal clear.

[fenm]

And I'd give a shit about that scene if they had the balls to follow up on its implications. ALL of its implications. Not just having Irene talking about how much she wants to fuck Sherlock. Which, btw, she does IN FRONT OF JOHN, after saying they're a couple, and that John is in love with Sherlock. What a nice woman.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, the fact that people are constantly alluding to the fact that John and Sherlock must be gay because they live together, but then they basically go "LOL AS IF NO HOMO" is queerbaiting, sorry. And just because you interpreted Scandal as John being in love with Sherlock doesn't mean everyone who watches the show did, or that it's canon. I understand why people ship it and they're free to do so, but the truth is that Moffat and Co play up the "Sherlock and John are totes in gay love" angle that fandom has latched onto in order to pull in viewers and get the fans worked up, but they have absolutely no intention of making it canon. That is queerbaiting.

[sarnath]

Honestly, the fact that people are constantly alluding to the fact that John and Sherlock must be gay because they live together, but then they basically go "LOL AS IF NO HOMO"

Yeah, I actually disagree that that's what happens. There is no "must be gay" assumptions, and there's no "LOL AS IF NO HOMO".

I looked at the exchange between Irene and John and to be honest, do you think there's a more likely explanation? If so, what?

[(Anonymous)]

I looked at the exchange between Irene and John and to be honest, do you think there's a more likely explanation? If so, what?

That Irene was just trolling John like she did everyone else in that episode?

I mean all John does in reply is scoff. Like he knows he's just bashing his head against a wall to deny it. The same way he does when others imply him and Sherlock are together, by the end he just stops bothering and acts despondent.

And considering there is nothing else in the entire series that follows on from that to imply either he or Sherlock are in love...yeah, I'd say it was just another example of Moffat's queer-baiting.

[fenm]

There is no "must be gay" assumptions, and there's no "LOL AS IF NO HOMO".

There's plenty of both. Hell, there's two in the first episode alone (Mrs. Hudson wondering if John will need the other bedroom [Of course I will!], and the whole dinner scene). Also Sally in TGG, the innkeeper in THOB, and his reaction to being referred to as a "confirmed bachelor" (i.e., gay) in the some paper in TRF. The last two take place after ASIB, btw (in fact, TRF is six months later; the ASIB scene was before New Year's while Sherlock is said to have "died" in June). So either Irene was wrong about John's feelings, in which case, what the the point of the scene; or she was she was right, but John's still denying it as much as half a year later, in which case, what was the point of that scene?

[(Anonymous)]

Every time someone alludes to the fact that John and Sherlock might be in a relationship, there's either the response of "I'M NOT GAY" or laughter and a mocking/derisive tone, as if anyone thinking they were gay is positively ridiculous. And yet it keeps coming up, because the writers know that fans ship it and they want to have their cake and eat it too. If the only reason you even mention that they might be a couple in an episode is to either go "NOPE NOT GAY" or laugh at the very thought because there is no way you ever intend to make that couple canon, you are pulling a no homo moment. So, yeah, there is an awful lot of queerbaiting going on.