[ SECRET POST #2169 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2169 ⌋

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Comments

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[otakugal15]

Uh, the amount of hate I've seen for allies, I wouldn't add that. :/ ONTD_P is a cesspit with regards to that attitude.

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[(Anonymous)]

As a gay person, the rise is Ally bashing that I've seen online, makes me want to cry.

Why do people do this? Why? What good would come of hating those who want to help our cause?!

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[otakugal15]

From my understanding.....it's a thing of "we fight our own battles" and if we straight people happen to stand up for someone, we're...somehow demeaning them?

So basically, if, for example, I'm out shopping and some dickwaffle is berating or even threatening someone who happens to be queer/gay/what have you....I'm supposed to walk off? Instead of trying to defend that person? Hell, even if I had no idea the person was gay, I'd still like to try to defend them, but it's somehow...wrong these days.

Or at least, that's what I get from reading posts and comments on ontd_p.

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh. I side-eye all of ONTD. That place is just toxic.

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[(Anonymous)]

if that is what you are getting, you are a fucking idiot. christ.

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[otakugal15]

Then, PLEASE, nonny. Enlighten me. Cause I see nothing wrong with defending someone. Or standing up to some douchcanoe cause he or she or they are being a dick.

B/

Allies

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know what ontd_p is, so this is just a general comment. But I can understand at least one flavour of frustration with allies - sometimes they don't let you get a word in edgeways.

I'm grateful for everyone who is on my side, and who will speak up against the dickwads. But it's much easier to talk about an issue that doesn't effect you directly. Which means that sometimes allies - with the best intentions in the world - jump into conversations more quickly, more loudly, and sometimes with a side order of not really Getting It.

Suddenly you realise that you're the lezzer at the back who can't make herself heard over all of the straight people theorising about what it's like to be you. And sure, what they're saying is way better than the straight folks theorising about why you shouldn't have rights. But at the end of the day it's still a gigantic bore to hear stuff that's just your life turned into buzz-words and abstractions.

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[(Anonymous)]

as a gay person, i am fine with it.

if you want to 'help the cause', really and truly, then your little feelings won't get hurt when some 'allies' get called out for the shit they do. or you will be understanding and not take it personally if someone who is queer is mistrusting of str8 folks and their bullshit.

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[otakugal15]

What bullshit? How is standing up to an asshole who is being all kinds of dickish and offensive to different people, in this case, queer people, how is this bullshit?

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[(Anonymous)]

lol @ you taking this so personally. stop projecting your own experiences or whatever onto what i said, obviously bullshit would not be standing up to someone and helping someone in need.

the casual ignorance and microaggressions i and other queer people face day after day is the bullshit i mean.

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[(Anonymous)]

As a gay person I am not fine with it, at all.

Spitting in the face, of folks who want to help, is not going to make things any better for us. We are not going to come together, as one people, if we perpetuate an 'us Vs them' attitude.

Love, not hate, never hate.

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[(Anonymous)]

sorry but it's asshole str8 people who ruined it for themselves :) omg i ~have straight friends~ but i am distrustful in general and especially wary of people who call themselves allies.

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[(Anonymous)]

Because sometimes, those "allies" whine and bitch moan about how they're ~*such good allies*~ and those damn queers should be ~*thankful*~ for their help.

No, you aren't entitled to thanks, and if you're doing this for the thanks, you're in it for the cred and not to actually fucking help. They're the kind to lump a minority together based on the actions of a few.

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[altumcor]

...I'm sorry, why is there hate for allies? What did they do? I think this might be the first time I've heard of it.

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[maverickz3r0]

The argument I've seen is that apparently, Allies want acknowledgement and praise for not being terrible people and supporting us.

Whereas I've never actually seen one say such a thing, I've only seen them get a little ruffled after the whole 'die cis-het scum' trend started.

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[(Anonymous)]

..and who can blame them for that really. I'd be angry too if I was a good person, and someone told me to die.

It just makes this old gay man, want to cry.

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[maverickz3r0]

Never go into certain areas of Tumblr, then. 'Toxic' is honestly the best word to describe the attitude some of those people have.

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[otakugal15]

Yeah, that was the other thing I was forgetting. Yes, all of us straight people want to be praised for helping defenseless gays/queer people. Because, we ALL see you as OH SO HELPLESS *gags*

Um, no. How about we just want to help people. Cause it's the right thing to do. But, apparently we can only help ourselves, cause it's some how demeaning otherwise. IDGI.

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[(Anonymous)]

Tinfoil hat time.

I see it as a ploy by homophobic groups to cause discontent, and infighting within the cause. Anger is one hell of a drug, and by using anger to lash out at anyone, and everyone, no matter who they are, will just alienate us further from becoming equal.

I hope I'm wrong, but sometimes I worry...

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[glo_unit]

Here's the thing, some allies do act like that. Some act like they are the saviors the the LGBT rights movement and are offended by not being treated as such. While hating all allies is wrong I don't think it is good not call out and question problematic behavior from allies.

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[(Anonymous)]

I'm all for you being an ally, but at this point I also want you to sit down and shut up. So some douchebag insulted you. Big whoop, it happens to everyone involved in lgbt. Especially the actual lgbt.

Maybe it's the way you phrase yourself and turn it into an issue about you.

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[(Anonymous)]

I love that allies exist, and want to help us overcome oppression. I really do. I don't love so much when every time they stand up for us, they come and tell me about it if I wasn't there. Or even better, write a letter to the newspaper about it. "I met Senator Obama today, and I said to him, 'I have a gay child! When you become President, will you make it so they can get married?'" Thank you for saying that to him, and I know your kid is glad you want them to be able to get married, but there really isn't any need to come tell me about it like you're expecting a belly rub and a Scooby snack.

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[altumcor]

I've never come across that before. I mean, I get the idea that LGBT community can fight for themselves since we have this mantra upon ourselves of being self-sufficient and strong individuals and being treated like human beings instead of being subclassed as being inferior and what-not, but...

Well, in my personal experience, rarely (if ever) have I come across a straight ally expecting me to treat them as if they're my knight in shining armour. Because they know better than that. And the ones that do are borderline homophobic anyway.

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[glo_unit]

YMMV I've seen many straight people behave like being told that they shouldn't be celebrated for not being a horrible person who is a complete homophobe is the worst thing you could tell them.

Re: -cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think we should hate on them all, for the actions of a few.

This is complete madness! When did it become, 'a thing', to want to push away everyone who is trying to help, and support us.