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why are skimpily dressed male superheroes a bad thing?

seems like that would make things even

Only if they are dressed in a way that would emphasize the male form rather than the female form. Otherwise, it won't come off a sexy but ridiculous. Like putting say Scott Summers in Emma Frost's outfit would look silly because Emma Frost's outfit highlight the female form. However, if you have more male superheroes dressed like Namor, who is dressed to highlight the male form, then it would work.

I wouldn't mind a little comic eyecandy. I think there are only three superheroes in comics that does the male eyecandy thing; Namor, Nightwing and Gambit. Three. There needs to be more male eyecandy.

Oh. Oh wow. I've never heard of Namor but I like him.

I have heard of Nightwing, though. I don't know much about what he's like in the comics--most of what I know about him comes from the internet or cartoons--but I'd probably read capes comics way, way more if they had more characters like Nightwing. XD

That's actually more clothes that Namor normally wears.

True. But not a fan of the speedos. I like how this outfit just emphasizes the male form in that it broadens his shoulders and highlights the chest and abs while the pants go low in a sexy way.

In the comics, the artists keep on finding ways to put him in ridiculous poses that show off his kiester as well as his abs and legs. (But especially his kiester.) Not that I am complaining.

With Gambit, it's all about making him shirtless. In fact, the latest series with him starring starts off with him taking a shower. (The writers know their audience.)

lol, I love that the first Gambit pick even has him do that ridiculous arched back you see female superheros get into all the time...

So basicly you don't want to stop the exploiting of the female body in comics, you just want the same done with the male body? And hey, I'm not complaining either, I'm just getting miffed when people complain about it done with one gender and if they then salivate if it's done with the other gender. If you want it for both, I'm fully on board with that, eye candy for everyone. I just wish there was more naked male flesh to see.

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Oh, Dick and Remy. My two favorite comic book characters.

Is there a new Gambit series? I haven't followed Marvel in ages, so I must have missed this. If there is, I'm excited! Is it any good?

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I'm going to need the name and number of issue of this comics for, er, research! Scientific Research.

Yeah, those Nightwing pics really show why the series is considered to be drawn with the female gaze. Even better, he has a pretty awesome personality to go with the hotness, IMO, which is why he's turned out to be one of my favourite characters in the DCU.

For more Dick Grayson goodness: http://fyeahdickgrayson.tumblr.com/post/37078671918/powergirlschestnuts-ohmygil-im-actually-a (including a T&A pose and a few wonderful fainting pics)

NAMOR IS SUCH A DICK

DON'T LET DEM ABS FOOL YOU :(

Aw :(

but isn't Nightwing also a Dick dohohohoho

Namor likes showing off his bod and AIN'T NO ONE GONNA TELL HIM TO PUT ON SOME GODDAMN CLOTHES: http://enormousgreencuddlemonster.tumblr.com/post/37206367435

The guy's kind of (and by "kind of" I mean "mostly") a sardonic prick though, ngl. He's hilariously awful: http://fishprinceofbelair.tumblr.com/post/37192823995

I don't think a thong highlights the "female form". It highlights the ass and that's about it.
And high heels make the hips swivel and elongate the legs, but guy hips can be just as hot as girl hips. And legs as well.
People also seem to forget that men in comics are almost never posed to look like submissive little victims (exposing throat, opening legs, looking away in a shy way, presenting their "assets" in a "come take me" kind of way, open mouth).
Namor is sexy, but in the end he's just a guy in speedos. He's sexy in a "oh look, a guy with a hot body" kind of way.
But to make him look like a typical comic woman he should at least wear a thong with frills, his nipples should get some kind of decoration and his boots should hinder him more in running away from a possible attacker.
Instead Namor is still presented like a man you want to admire and let him have his way with you, not your personal sex toy.

"Female form highlight" and "male form highlight" have nothing to do with it, because that stuff doesn't exist. Only cuts do exist.
A skin-tight spandex outfit reveals the figure, no matter if woman or man.
You only think it's ridiculous for men to wear thongs/heels/etc because society has taught you that only women need to wear this stuff and if men do it they lower themselves, which is only acceptable for women.

And the clothes themselves aren't even the real problem the Hawkeye Initiative is highlighting. The problem are the poses that contort the female chars into fuck toys with ass and tits neatly alligned. Female heroines are shows "battling" their enemies by sensually groping them while jiggling their goodies, while male heroes are drawn to deliver real punches and pain.

Sorry for the wall of text, but this male form/female form stuff mostly comes from defenders of sexism in comics and it really has made me bitter at this point. Especially, since I love guys in lingerie (male cut, but everything else like the stuff for women, lace and frills included) and I don't get how this would make ME a deviant, but my boyfriend a normal guy (for liking female cut lingerie on yours truly).

*goes back into the shadows*

I don't think a thong highlights the "female form". It highlights the ass and that's about it.

Female asses are rounder and more prominent.

This is going to start a long tangent on basically MORE male or MORE female. Both men and women have hips, but women have rounder, bigger hips, and therefore hips are looked at as a feminine trait. This is almost universal and this is pretty much deep-rooted. This is not a culturally condition standard of male vs female beauty, this is how we perceive male vs female forms on a biological level.

And high heels make the hips swivel and elongate the legs, but guy hips can be just as hot as girl hips. And legs as well.

What is highlighted when it comes to male and female forms is different here. Both legs should be long, but male legs should be muscular and thick, female legs should be longer and rounder.

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I don't think a thong highlights the "female form". It highlights the ass and that's about it. 

Female asses are rounder and more prominent.

This is going to start a long tangent on basically MORE male or MORE female. Both men and women have hips, but women have rounder, bigger hips, and therefore hips are looked at as a feminine trait. This is almost universal and this is pretty much deep-rooted. This is not a culturally condition standard of male vs female beauty, this is how we perceive male vs female forms on a biological level.

And high heels make the hips swivel and elongate the legs, but guy hips can be just as hot as girl hips. And legs as well.

What is highlighted when it comes to male and female forms is different here. Both legs should be long, but male legs should be muscular and thick, female legs should be longer and rounder.

<IPeople also seem to forget that men in comics are almost never posed to look like submissive little victims (exposing throat, opening legs, looking away in a shy way, presenting their "assets" in a "come take me" kind of way, open mouth).

No, these are simply sexually available poses NOT submissive ones. All of these things remind people of what a woman looks like in bed, which YES tends to look pretty exposed. That's part of the emotional appeal of sex as well: intimacy and trust.

Namor is sexy, but in the end he's just a guy in speedos. He's sexy in a "oh look, a guy with a hot body" kind of way.

If you drew the exact same speedos on a woman it would look more masculine. Male speedos are thicker and cover the hips a lot more. Otherwise, yes, usually his outfit is just about showing skin. The one linked to, however, is NOT. It clearly highlights his shoulders and arms. A woman dressed to look the same type of sexy would not be wearing an outfit that looks like that. It would highlight her hips and breasts, not her abs and shoulders.

You only think it's ridiculous for men to wear thongs/heels/etc because society has taught you that only women need to wear this stuff and if men do it they lower themselves, which is only acceptable for women.

This belief is just stemming from a huge misrepresentation about standards of beauty. Almost all of them are biological, not cultural.

Sorry for the wall of text, but this male form/female form stuff mostly comes from defenders of sexism in comics and it really has made me bitter at this point.

Just because it's highlighting the female form doesn't make it okay to represent women like that. This is the issue, not that they're making the distinction at all. Men are dressed to look more combat-ready. To look tough and dangerous. Not to look sexy. Women are dressed to look sexy and sexual, not to look tough or capable.

This is an issue when it comes to designing HEROES.

lol biotruths

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For the same reason that skimpily-dressed female superheroes are a bad thing: it looks ridiculous and it's fucking distracting as hell. Semi-practical costumes are hot enough with their spandex and impractically cool frills and designs, they don't need to look like they got ambushed in the middle of getting kinky with their partner in a hotel room.

But yeah, I guess if you can't have everyone dressing properly, everyone dressing like porn stars is better than just the women dressing like that...

if you can't have everyone dressing properly, everyone dressing like porn stars is better than just the women dressing like that...

I was going to write a similar comment, but I came to the same conclusion you did and realized I was chasing my tail.

People are always going to have an appetite for the ridiculous, it just really sucks when that's only ever applied in one direction, and when it's seen as totally normal and unquestioned. If we have to do it, let's make sure we're all clear on how ridiculous it is.

I'm mostly over the parody/deconstruction superhero comics of the "Hey, ever thought about X aspect of superheroes?" (because yes, most folks have).

But now I kind of want to see a series where the male and female heroes dress in utterly ridiculous, stripperriffic outfits, much to the discomfort of the civilians.

That or Gender-swapped Justice League, played entirely straight.

Sounds fair enough

you know where it's at

Looks like a typical Nightwing pose.

I am not particularly in support of any scantily clad superheroes, because I find most comic book bodies good enough to be mildly embarrassing but nowhere near good enough to be attractive. I get nothing out of it. I'm always slightly perplexed that people go. "That's fanservice? That's... a cartoon."

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