[ SECRET POST #2188 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2188 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 05 pages, 102 secrets from Secret Submission Post #313.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

08. http://i.imgur.com/dvC1k.png

[visp]

A "but I'm not really gay" at the end of a slash story is kinda dumb, I agree. But if the story's good, I'd just ignore the author being an idiot.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe I've just gotten lucky but I haven't seen to much of the "reassuring". That sounds like it'd just put an entire damper on the story, it's like if the author's not into what they're actually writing it comes across. And when it comes down to it I just want a well written story with the characters mostly in character.

[morieris]

Wow.

I'm glad I don't see this (but I do see people shipping JUST because they're two women/men), because that sounds like they think it's something to slightly be ashamed of.

[(Anonymous)]

Inkmage here, on my phone so I don't want the hassle of logging in.

I have three thoughts here. The first is that a person's orientation has little to nothing to do with how good their writing is. I'm a lesbian and I've written slash that I've been told is very good. I'm a virgin and I've written sex scenes that I've been told are good. I'm awful at athletics and I've written fight scenes that I've been told are very good. And so on. The main signifier these people need isn't "straight," it's simply "inexperienced or lazy writer."

Second, that "lol I'm not gay, guys!" thing is stupid. I just... I'm not gonna get into this rant. Too long and pointless to type on my phone.

Third, is anyone else weirded out by the anatomy here?

[(Anonymous)]

I have never seen this o_O

[(Anonymous)]

I have never seen the disclaimer-at-the-end-of-the-fic thingy. But yeah, sometimes I realize that other people are supporting my -generally not super popular- FF or even FM ships because they're the "PC" ones and feel conflicted because, on one hand, I want other people to like them and produce fanart about them, on the other, I ship these pairings because I love them and wish people would appreciate them on their own merits.

[eaten_by_bears]

The author's note sounds really obnoxious. But as to straight girls writing lesbian porn in the first place, I'm for it for a couple reasons. For one, yay porn. And for the other, even if they don't actually want to sleep with a woman irl, that doesn't mean writing girls fucking isn't a part of their sexual life. I wouldn't deny them that.

[illiadandoddity]

Well, I haven't seen it in femslash specifically, but I definitely have seen fanfic that reads like an author is just checking off tickmarks for different boxes on the inclusivity list, and it's uniformly awful.

[femme_androgyne]

Badly-written fic is badly-written fic. Why be grateful for something that wasn't created *for* you that you don't enjoy? You don't owe authors, even ones who write pairings you like, support of readership.

On the other hand, they don't owe you something you'd like to read.

[(Anonymous)]

Huh, I don't think I've encountered an author's note quite like that. That sounds pretty obnoxious

[(Anonymous)]

Why does that chick have an atrophied calf?

[ryttu3k]

1) Wait, people actually write disclaimers like that? Seriously?

2) I was going to ask for a link to the art, but as soon as someone pointed out Asami's calf, I can't stop cringing at that part. Whoops...

[rmg]

was the art for this one squashed in photoshop or something?

[(Anonymous)]

oi vey. What happened to the days where people just wrote fic just because they wanted to write some goddamn fic? /)_(\

Also: lawl, what is anatomy

[(Anonymous)]

I have never seen that kind of disclaimer, but that would be supremely annoying and probably kill my enjoyment of the fic. That being said, I really don't give a crap what the author's sexuality or gender is so long as they write a good fic. I think there are probably straight female writers who write femslash because they want points for their open-mindedness, but I think most of them just like the characters and pairing they're writing about. I've got no issue with it. *shrugs*

[saiika_von_maou]

The need to put any sort of "I'm not gay but I'm cool with this" disclaimer in a fic has always been a fascinating thing to me. With some of the younger writers just getting into fanfiction, I find it fairly understandable. Fandom can be horribly unkind to women, and trying to write about them would certainly make any new fic writer shake in their boots. Personal disclaimers in general are often used to try and appease haters; which, unfortunately, is more likely to drive away those that are just looking to enjoy the subject matter.

I feel like there should be an actual study of "fandom psychology" or something. The stuff that goes on in fandom is so interesting.

[iggy]

I agree about the 'not really gay' note at the end being annoying, but 90% of fandom is people writing about characters who don't have an orientation that is their own, so I don't see an issue with 'straight girls writing femslash.'

[(Anonymous)]

As a straight woman who has written my fair share of femmeslash, I promise it's not all JUST "wanna try something new!" or doing it for cool "see how open-minded I am" points or whatever. Sometimes I just like exploring different dynamics, and sex is part of many romances, so... why wouldn't I? Plus in terms of porn, women getting off is easier for me to empathize with than men getting off, so femmeslash is still fun even if I don't find myself attracted to women generally.

But the disclaimers are dumb as hell. It's like it implies there is something wrong with *actually* liking/having sex with women, as opposed to just doing it in fic-world. That skeeves me the hell out. I am fortunate never to have experienced it, though.

[(Anonymous)]

Most of my fandoms have had too few female characters for femslash to be anything but a rarity, but I've seen this a lot in bigger fandoms.

If I had a penny for all the "so open minded" authors who were known for writing some m/m pairing but would "branch out" and write one or two femslash stories just to include the girls...

[kamino_neko]

Agreed about the disclaimer, but I'd generally be more leary of straight guys writing femslash.

Sadly, not for the reason cited in the secret right above this one (lol, good timing, wot?), but because...even if I'm reading porn, I'd like to feel like I'm reading about two characters who are doing it because they want to (...or at least because one wants to...I like some dub-con, or even non-con, if done well), not as wank fodder, and my experience with fandom guys has been...less than stellar in that respect. Not their writing, so much, since I've not seen a lot of femslash fic written by guys, but their reactions to other people's - one board I was on a couple years ago, there were a group of guys who'd interrupt 'shipping conversations complaining about 'shipping...until it was girl/girl 'ships, then they'd hoot and holler like they were at some sort of strip show (virtually speaking). (It particularly annoyed me when I posted a fluffy 'ship-fic where the characters didn't even kiss until the last paragraph.)

[(Anonymous)]

this secret is actually relevant to my interests right now as a straight girl who is writing femslash for the first time. this is maybe the flipside of what the OP is saying but i've lately found myself getting into a femslash ship and working on a fic for it but for some reason it's nervewracking as all hell.

i find that the writing of somewhat unconvincing male/male sex is so common in fandom (some done better than others) that readers are kind of willing to suspend disbelief (or may just not know better? idek) whereas i'm kind of scared that someone (and lbr, most fic readers are women) who is queer irl is going to pick apart my terrible attempt at girls getting it on because i didn't do it justice or something. obviously it's not about knowing the technicalities but i've been freaking out about it.

not even going to go down the sad road of how i'm pretty sure no one is even going to end up reading it in a fandom that's mostly dominated by dudeslash.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem with that attitude is that it might discourage potential femslash writers. Sure, some straight girls suck at writing femslash, but that doesn't mean they all do.

(Although the disclaimer thing is incredibly annoying).

[(Anonymous)]

People can write whatever the fuck they want, no matter their gender or orientation. Since when did enjoying a story have anything to do what the author is like? I get that you can still be annoyed by this, but it's something you really need to get over.

[caecilia]

It's possible that they're not really straight, and this is a baby step for them in the process of coming to terms with themselves. That's why I had those author notes when I was twelve, anyway.