[ SECRET POST #2204 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2204 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

04. http://i.imgur.com/PSoX2.jpg

[riddian]

Huh, interesting. Any theories as to why? I would have thought it would be the other way around.

[(Anonymous)]

not OP, but my theory would be that Old Who fans carry around a whole bunch of years of continuity, plus all the old fandom wanks and arguments, wereas New Who fans probably have the approach that New Who is canon and not all of Old Who is. Which considering how big and sprawling OW is, might have some truth in it. New Who fans who then watch Old Who can probably pick out fresh insights and approaches and the like without getting as bogged down in details.

[tenlittlebullets]

FWIW, I started with New Who too and my approach to Old Who is that it's all canon, but it's so huge and the stories work well enough as standalones that you don't have to have watched all of it to consider yourself a fan--you can skip around and leave giant holes to be slowly filled in later if you want.

That, and New Who kinda gives you the attitude of "Details not quite meshing up? Fuck it--wibbly-wobbly canony-fanony stuff." (Plus it's my opinion that, far from New Who being all canonical, everyone has the right to excise one Christmas special from their personal headcanon. A friend of mine refuses to acknowledge the existence of Voyage of the Damned, and I just did not understand until I saw A Christmas Carol and instantly tried to pretend I hadn't.)

[(Anonymous)]

I still have no idea what they were thinking with Voyage of the Damned. Just...WHY? Why have an episode so nastily depressing and bleak for no reason and then have it be completely irrelevant and never get brought up again? On CHRISTMAS no less? Not to mention Titanic ripoffs were overdone years before that episode aired.

Actually, that reminds me once again how much I wish a copy of The Feast of Steven from One's era existed. Because from what I've heard, it was glorious bizarro crack plopped right in the middle of a really epic long serial.

/completely pointless tangent

[(Anonymous)]

FWIW I've only ever really seen the New Who episodes (I've seen a few older ones here and there but not many), and this didn't piss me off. I actually kind of think I need to watch more Old Who... it's a matter of where to start?!

[(Anonymous)]

I'd suggest starting... just anywhere! At least, that's what I did... a serial form 2 here, a serial from 6 there, and so on and so forth. I discovered who I did/did not like for both the Doctors and Companions, and if I didn't enjoy the serial, I would start a different one and maybe come back to it later, sometimes not.

[(Anonymous)]

Where the rest of us did, nonny -- with Unearthly Child.

[kamino_neko]

While An Unearthly Child is a great place to start (I love One and Susan), I don't think most - or even a significant portion - of original series fans started with it. (I sure didn't - I'd seen all of Seven, a significant portion of Three, and a very bad stretch of Four long before ever managing to see the early episodes.)

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Oh I don't know, I probably started watching somewhere in the era of Five, but my earliest memories are actually of Three and four, with that story from Six with the Rani's turn-people-into-trees mines.

But then I grew up watching Old Who on TV and was dependant on what the ABC had on or was doing re-runs of at the time. I later started hiring videos of One and Two stories when I found them in video stores, and that was when I saw An Unearthly Child.

[(Anonymous)]

Depends on what you like, really. I've known people who started on Three, on Seven, on Four. People who cheery-picked their way through the series based on whatever episodes they could scrounge. It's all good. (Well, okay, all of them have extremely shaky episodes scattered around, don't immediately write off a Doctor based on one episode. And if you're watching Six, don't start with Timelash).

I do tend to think Five is a good start from NuWho, he feels quite similar. A Doctor struggling with morality, companions with traumatic stories, comfort and genius and angst. And one of the most crowded TARDIS' in the old series, because Five had a lot of companions.

Four was more alien, less human-centric, with more far flung companions. You got a lot of Time Lord and universe stories with Four. Some good'n'creepy ones with early Four as well, when he was travelling with Sarah-Jane. Of course, by the time we get to late Four you've got some really crazy stories, too.

Three is a Doctor stranded on Earth, forced to work with humans much, much closer than he prefers. He's cranky and a little bit bitter and tends towards James Bond if James Bond had more of a scientific bent. Plus, the Brigadier and UNIT are awesome, Jo was one of my favourite companions, and the Master makes his first suave and Bond-villain style appearances.

Two was more the Doctor in lets-cheerfully-bumble-into-danger mode, with flashes of danger and darkness. Two also had some fabulous companions, ones he got very close to (Two/Jamie is one of the major slash pairs of Old Who, if that's of interest to you. I think the other main one would be Five/Turlough, and Doctor/Master).

One, I admit I've seen least of. But Ian and Barbara are sort of awesome companions, and I will always cherish the memory of Barbara telling the Doctor to shut the hell up and stop yelling at them, he was the one who got them into this mess in the first place.

Six is more of an acquired taste, but if you liked Ten towards the end of his run, Six will probably feel quite similar. Rage and pain and occasional cruelty, with loyalty and honour underneath. Six also has a massive fight with the Timelords over one of his main arcs, which is fascinating in hindsight from Ten. (Six also has Doctor vs Master vs Rani in the same story, in which the Rani knees the Master in the balls, so there's also that).

Seven is more intimate, in some ways, less of the sprawling stories from earlier Doctors. Seven plays chess against monsters, with stories with a lot of moral ambiguity and sacrifice, and a lot of touching Doctor/Companion moments. Plus, Ace whaling on a Dalek with a baseball bat, and the Brigadier passing the torch to the next generation.

Eight I can't really speak of, I haven't read much of the EU. The movie was ... interesting? Slightly complicated canon-wise, though (it has a half-human Doctor, which is slightly weird).

Um. So. Pick your poison, really, it's all good. I would tend to start with one of the earlier Doctors, several of them make more sense when you've some knowledge of their predecessors (Six, coming from Five, Seven from Three and Four, Four from Three), but as I said. Whichever way works for you.

[(Anonymous)]

This is a fabulous comment and I love and agree with everything you've said about each regeneration.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you! I sort of love all the regenerations, which I suspect helps.

[intrigueing]

This comment is very good! I second the Six/Ten parallels (he's also a good deal like Four, with the hyperness and stuff). Also, I'd like to add that personally, Eleven reminds me a lot of Two and quite a bit of Seven (especially wrt his emotions and companion relationships), and Nine really reminds me of One in some ways (gruff/silly/aloof/sweet contrasts ahoy), so if you have a fave New Who Doctor, you might find it easier to ease in with someone a bit familiar. (Of course people might disagree with me, but that's another good thing about Who: lots of different interpretations and ways to look at the characters are possible).

[(Anonymous)]

I always recommend "Remembrance of the Daleks" (Seven and Ace era) and "City of Death" (Four and Romana II era) for new fans.

There are other serials that I like better, but I think those are the ones that would be the easiest for new viewers who are used to the new series to get into without becoming bored by the old-fashioned pacing and writing or put off by the different style and/or budget-fail.

[(Anonymous)]

First, unless you're really picky about spoilers, watch the video I'm linking below featuring really well-edited and arranged clips of all the Doctors dealing with pre- and post-regeneration issues, comparing and contrasting them and doing an absolutely fabulous job of conveying a sense of continuity and "oh yes, these are totally all the same one guy".

You'll probably be endeared or at least charmed and amused by all eleven of them by the end of the video, and I think rubbing away some of the disconnect and dissonance between old and new Who doctors is the best way of opening yourself up to trying out the old stories. After all, it's much less tedious to watch story you're kind of iffy on if you like the main character already.

here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aivYb_0npqw

[(Anonymous)]

Lol. I agree with you op, from what I've seen.

[intrigueing]

Nah, in my experience it's very idiosyncratic and totally depends on the individual fan's personality. And plenty of Old!Who fans have a really nice appreciation for the newer Doctors (see this link for a really sweet example by an oldschool fan: http://janeturenne.tumblr.com/post/6043752823/why-i-love-all-the-doctors)

I do think that the Old Who fans who snivel and whine and splutter with rage whenever the new series is slightly different from the old one are far, far, far more annoying than the stupid new fans who can't wrap their mind around things like loving lots of companions and lots of equally-valid regenerations and stuff. And that's saying something.

[tenlittlebullets]

I do think that the Old Who fans who snivel and whine and splutter with rage whenever the new series is slightly different from the old one are far, far, far more annoying than the stupid new fans who can't wrap their mind around things like loving lots of companions and lots of equally-valid regenerations and stuff. And that's saying something.

I just want to wrap all the Who up in a protective and loving (or at least tolerantly fond) embrace and shield it forever from everyone who thinks "not my favorite era/Doctor/companion/etc" = "unmitigated crap that only terrible people with no taste enjoy." Classic vs. new, RTD vs. Moffat, all the perennial companion wank, people frowning on various Doctors, the whole blessed conga line of judgemental sneering. I know it's not going away and that it's a time-honored fandom tradition dating back to the mid-1960s, but... protective and loving embrace, dammit, is that too much to ask.

[intrigueing]

Oh yes, A+ to all of this. Doesn't stop me from raging a bit when stupid things happen and being disappointed at obvious instances of wasted potential, but honestly, it's all more good than bad IMO.

*cackles at your link*

*raises you a comprehensive list*

[kamino_neko]

I'm with you, Ten.

(Given that Seven is My Doctor, and the only one more loathed than him is Six...)

[kinirokitsune]

Really? What makes you think that?

I mean, I myself started with New Who, but am slowly making my way through the Classic Who.

Totally off topic: I've found that I really love the 1st Doctor and I'd love to hug the 5th. Also, I'm obsessed with Jamie and his kilt. 8|

[velvet_mace]

I'm not sure where you came up with this theory. Seems to me that neither group is more or less prone to the crazies. Though maybe the new Who people who go back and fall in love with Classic Who are more invested in the universe and less in the individual actors, but that's not the same as being sane.

[(Anonymous)]

It's all the same to me how people do their best writing/art/whatever -- I'm most prolific when I'm having a major depressive episode, which sucks -- but as a rule, if you're drunk or high, stay away from me.

[(Anonymous)]

Crap, misfire.