[ SECRET POST #2244 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2244 ⌋

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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[dethtoll]

While I technically disagree with the secret, I have to disagree with you as well.

1) Consoles aren't the only platforms. PC gaming is huge, and there's a million and one games that can be obtained for free, if not exactly legally. Let alone all the ROMs for older systems, and even Wii emulation is pretty good these days.

2) If someone has time to read books or watch TV, they have time to play video games. It's just a matter of how you use that time. I only like two shows, so I watch about 2 1/3 hours (one show runs 80 minutes) a week, whereas my time playing Dark Souls in the past two weeks has been... 33 hours.

[(Anonymous)]

lol computer gaming is stupid

it's all either MMOs or violent FPS games you need to spend $3000 to have a computer that can run them

pc gaming needs to just die already, i am so sick of neckbeards talking about their shitty inferior "platform"

nobody actually plays these stupid games anyway

[dethtoll]

0/10

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, you have an awfully outdated and narrow view of PC gaming. -1000/10.

[otakugal15]

I know it's a troll, but:

I have a laptop that I got for $500, second gen core i5, an Nvidia GeForce GT 525M card on it, 6 GB of RAM, 500 GB harddrive.

It does everything I need it to like run CS5 without an issues, even plays SWTOR at some decent graphics levels (though it can't render realistic shadow *le sigh*)

Yes, I need to upgrade the memory, and if I COULD upgrade the graphics card, I would, but for $500? This was a great find.

Oh, and, I'm a girl. :B

[(Anonymous)]

Not who you were talking to, but...

Oh, and, I'm a girl. :B

What, it's supposed to be surprising that women have computers, play video games, and know their computer specs? To the point where you feel the need to proudly state that despite the fact that you just spoke about something as mind-numbingly simple "complicated" as your own laptop specs for gaming, you're a girl?

[(Anonymous)]

You were the one talking about Neckbeards. Goddamn.

IT'S ALL MEN GKAH;DSGLKASHDLGKH

WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE A WOMAN NO1CURR AL;GLASDKHGAL;KH

Get your head out of your ass

[otakugal15]

I was commenting on the "neckbeard" comment, Cause, apparently, only neckbeards play games, especially on the computer.

And the specs and price were just to show that not all gaming computers HAVE to be $3000 or more.

Unless you just ONLY buy alienware.

That and there've been many many people out there who think women can't know a thing about good computers.

[grainne_mhaol]

We're talking about specific games or franchises, though.

On a low income one could certainly get into ChronoTrigger fandom or something with some 500kb roms and a SNES emulator. But anything new? Forget it.

Consoles. Gaming PCs. Games. An internet connection that can cope with torrenting a large game if one is willing to risk breaking the law like that. They are all insanely expensive. The canon material for gaming fandoms is orders of magnitude higher than books/tv/films.

[dethtoll]

I'm aware of all that, but that's really besides the point. That anon I replied to had a few things wrong and I was correcting them.

[grainne_mhaol]

I think AYRT is right on pretty much all points, and I don't think that your responses to hir are viable answers if one is interested in a particular game rather than gaming in general.

[dethtoll]

Except we're not talking about a particular game FFS. The anon didn't bring it up, I didn't bring it up, the discussion here is in general terms.

Here, let me spell it out:

"Consoles and the games themselves can be prohibitively expensive for a lot of people"

Completely ignores the existence of a whole 'nother platform called the PC. That's the ONLY thing I was responding to. It's like I said to another anon -- if you don't have access, you don't have access and I'm not including people without access in this discussion because the discussion is about what you can do if you DO have access. Having access or not is a completely different topic.

"some people don't have the time to invest in actually playing a video game"

Assumes that leisure time is a non-zero-sum game. If a person doesn't want to spend their free time playing video games, that's their choice, but that doesn't mean free time magically vanishes if they don't do this activity or that activity. If you choose to spend your free time reading a book or arguing with dethtoll on the internet, don't go crying that you don't have time to play a video game. You could've done that instead!

[(Anonymous)]

I can read a book on the subway.

I cannot play a video game on the subway.

I spend TWO HOURS A DAY on the subway.

I get a lot of reading done, but I can't get a lot of video gaming done.

(Also, it was fucking OBVIOUS that they were grouping PC in with consoles. Jesus fucking Christ you pedantic twat.)

[riddian]

But can you play any and every game on a PC? I think that's what people are trying to get at.

Not to mention computers don't always have the juice to handle gaming. I've got several made-for-PC games that my 3-year-old laptop practically faints at the sight of.

[(Anonymous)]

1) Not everybody has a compatible computer for such games or emulators. You're still assuming people have access to certain things when that's not true.

2) You can read a book or watch videos almost anywhere at this point. You have to be at home or somewhere stable in order to play a video game. People with long bus/subway commutes probably find it easier to watch LPs during those times than try to cram in a couple hours of gaming between eating and sleeping when they get home.

- ayrt

[dethtoll]

I'm not assuming anything here, but you sure are. If people don't have access, then they don't fucking have access, and they're not what I'm talking about. My first point was in response to the anon I replied to completely ignoring PC gaming, and let's be real -- if you have a PC and it's not a 10-year-old piece of shit that chokes on Netscape, you can play a fucking video game somehow. My second point is strictly about time management.

Please, try to follow the discussion before jumping all over me.

[(Anonymous)]

Assumption 1: a PC is not a console.
Maybe strictly speaking, it isn't, but as far as "a platform for which to play games on" goes, a PC is in the same category as a PS3 and everything else. Why is the lack of access to a PC any different from the lack of access to a PS3? Macs exist and aren't compatible with a lot of PC games, and if you're running an out-of-date OS (like I am), even some games that are Mac-compatible aren't accessible.

Assumption 2: playing video games can be done anywhere you can read or watch videos.
Just because reading and watching videos can be done anywhere or any time you can play a video game doesn't mean the reverse holds true. Like I said (which you apparently failed to comprehend), you can read a book (either a physical book or on a Kindle/iPad/Nook/whathaveyou) or watch videos (on an iPad/iPhone/Android/whatever) in far more situations than you can play a video game. Some people actually do have schedules that consist of working, eating, and sleeping, and very little actual leisure time to actually sit down and devote several hours to playing a video game.

-ayrt

[dethtoll]

1) Because you can't do your taxes on a PS3. If you have a computer -- PC or Mac (Macs are technically a PC, just a PC with a proprietary OS and parts you can't upgrade) -- you have a platform that can play games. It may not be able to play the latest and greatest, but it can still play games. The thing is, you also use it to watch Youtube, write fanfiction, and get into arguments on Fandom Secrets. Unless can only access this website from your cell phone, you already have a built in games machine. And even your cell phone can probably run Doom or something.

2) I'm not talking about physical access! Even I am sometimes away from my PC and consoles! Guess what? I'm not playing games then! I am talking about how you manage your free time in your own home. Maybe I should have been clear.

[(Anonymous)]

How fucking stupid are you?

Just because some can play SOME games doesn't mean they can play the games THEY ARE ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN PLAYING! Why the fuck would anyone care that they can play games that they aren't interested in playing?

If they can't play the game they want to play, they may watch a LP and then join the fandom instead.

The OP is saying that they shouldn't do that.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, with regard to point 2

Some people *literally* have no or very little free time at home. All their "free time" may be taken up by their daily commute (or they may have a job that allows them to read during low activity periods - night cashiers ect.).

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, PC games exist - but if you want to get into anything with a currently active fandom, it's probably a fairly recent game, and you probably need a fairly good computer to play it. I'd like to think my computer's okay (it's pretty typical for someone not on the cutting edge of technology, anyway), but I still can't really play most things that have come out in the past several years. (And I don't know about Wii emulation, but DS emulators also run almost unplayably slow on my computer.)

[dethtoll]

Aside from the fact that like 95% of today's PC games are on console anyway, the few remaining exclusives (and there's not very many) do not as a rule require a hefty machine. The indie scene, which makes up the bulk of today's PC-exclusive segment, has been very good to people with low-end hardware. The rest tend to be mostly sim games (and I mean ArmA II or that ridiculously expensive train game noods was freaking out about the other day, not the Sims), RTS games, and obscure stuff out of central Europe.

But all this is academic. The point I was trying to make has been strictly that PC gaming as a platform does exist, it's available, if you have the money and the interest it's there for you to partake in. God forbid I advocate my preferred platform. If you don't have access, that's a completely different discussion and I'm tired of people trying to run a privilege game on me because I don't mention all those poor people who don't have access.

[(Anonymous)]

My original comment was about people not having access, and you came in here ranting about PC games like it made a damn bit of difference. You even said it yourself: if people don't have access, they don't have access. Why exactly are you getting so fucking defensive over one damn platform? You apparently agree with me that not having access is a problem, so I don't know why you had to start off your original comment with "I disagree with you." Had you simply talked about the accessibility of PC gaming, I'm sure fewer people would have jumped on you. As it is, you're coming across as overly defensive and a tad elitist about PC games.

- original anon that apparently sparked your PC game stanning

[dethtoll]

"stanning" lol

All I wanted to do was point out that PC gaming exists for the people who have access, and in the long run is probably a better investment than a console toy. What I got for it was a bunch of horseshit about how some people don't have access and I should feel bad. If I'm getting defensive, I have a right to be. And the whole thing kept getting more and more convoluted.

"I disagree with you" was probably not the best choice of words. I probably should have just said "I want to point a couple of things out."

I am not interested in a stupid fucking fight, so please stop shitting on me because I'm not addressing all those people who don't have access.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, you worded your points in a way that makes you an ass. The people who've responded to you were not shitting on you, but they were nitpicking much like you did but did so like a complete ass.

No one said to feel bad about someone's access to games and gaming platforms. They just said, understand that it's not available to everyone. Simple really.

It's odd though, most of the comments I've seen you make in the past in regard to games/gaming are a complete 180 to how you're presenting yourself today. Which is a complete ass. Just so you know.

DA