[ SECRET POST #2244 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2244 ⌋

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 05 pages, 121 secrets from Secret Submission Post #321.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Erm. While books, music, and TV shows are more or less available for free with an internet connection, video games are not. Consoles and the games themselves can be prohibitively expensive for a lot of people, but they're still interested in the story and characters so they find LPs in order to access the material they'd otherwise be barred from. Not to mention, some people don't have the time to invest in actually playing a video game, or they're not interested in the play style, or they just plain suck at video games - and telling them they can't be a "fan" despite watching LPs and doing the research is rather elitist of you.

[dethtoll]

While I technically disagree with the secret, I have to disagree with you as well.

1) Consoles aren't the only platforms. PC gaming is huge, and there's a million and one games that can be obtained for free, if not exactly legally. Let alone all the ROMs for older systems, and even Wii emulation is pretty good these days.

2) If someone has time to read books or watch TV, they have time to play video games. It's just a matter of how you use that time. I only like two shows, so I watch about 2 1/3 hours (one show runs 80 minutes) a week, whereas my time playing Dark Souls in the past two weeks has been... 33 hours.

[(Anonymous)]

lol computer gaming is stupid

it's all either MMOs or violent FPS games you need to spend $3000 to have a computer that can run them

pc gaming needs to just die already, i am so sick of neckbeards talking about their shitty inferior "platform"

nobody actually plays these stupid games anyway

[dethtoll]

0/10

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, you have an awfully outdated and narrow view of PC gaming. -1000/10.

[otakugal15]

I know it's a troll, but:

I have a laptop that I got for $500, second gen core i5, an Nvidia GeForce GT 525M card on it, 6 GB of RAM, 500 GB harddrive.

It does everything I need it to like run CS5 without an issues, even plays SWTOR at some decent graphics levels (though it can't render realistic shadow *le sigh*)

Yes, I need to upgrade the memory, and if I COULD upgrade the graphics card, I would, but for $500? This was a great find.

Oh, and, I'm a girl. :B

[(Anonymous)]

Not who you were talking to, but...

Oh, and, I'm a girl. :B

What, it's supposed to be surprising that women have computers, play video games, and know their computer specs? To the point where you feel the need to proudly state that despite the fact that you just spoke about something as mind-numbingly simple "complicated" as your own laptop specs for gaming, you're a girl?

[(Anonymous)]

You were the one talking about Neckbeards. Goddamn.

IT'S ALL MEN GKAH;DSGLKASHDLGKH

WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE A WOMAN NO1CURR AL;GLASDKHGAL;KH

Get your head out of your ass

[otakugal15]

I was commenting on the "neckbeard" comment, Cause, apparently, only neckbeards play games, especially on the computer.

And the specs and price were just to show that not all gaming computers HAVE to be $3000 or more.

Unless you just ONLY buy alienware.

That and there've been many many people out there who think women can't know a thing about good computers.

[grainne_mhaol]

We're talking about specific games or franchises, though.

On a low income one could certainly get into ChronoTrigger fandom or something with some 500kb roms and a SNES emulator. But anything new? Forget it.

Consoles. Gaming PCs. Games. An internet connection that can cope with torrenting a large game if one is willing to risk breaking the law like that. They are all insanely expensive. The canon material for gaming fandoms is orders of magnitude higher than books/tv/films.

[dethtoll]

I'm aware of all that, but that's really besides the point. That anon I replied to had a few things wrong and I was correcting them.

[grainne_mhaol]

I think AYRT is right on pretty much all points, and I don't think that your responses to hir are viable answers if one is interested in a particular game rather than gaming in general.

[dethtoll]

Except we're not talking about a particular game FFS. The anon didn't bring it up, I didn't bring it up, the discussion here is in general terms.

Here, let me spell it out:

"Consoles and the games themselves can be prohibitively expensive for a lot of people"

Completely ignores the existence of a whole 'nother platform called the PC. That's the ONLY thing I was responding to. It's like I said to another anon -- if you don't have access, you don't have access and I'm not including people without access in this discussion because the discussion is about what you can do if you DO have access. Having access or not is a completely different topic.

"some people don't have the time to invest in actually playing a video game"

Assumes that leisure time is a non-zero-sum game. If a person doesn't want to spend their free time playing video games, that's their choice, but that doesn't mean free time magically vanishes if they don't do this activity or that activity. If you choose to spend your free time reading a book or arguing with dethtoll on the internet, don't go crying that you don't have time to play a video game. You could've done that instead!

[(Anonymous)]

1) Not everybody has a compatible computer for such games or emulators. You're still assuming people have access to certain things when that's not true.

2) You can read a book or watch videos almost anywhere at this point. You have to be at home or somewhere stable in order to play a video game. People with long bus/subway commutes probably find it easier to watch LPs during those times than try to cram in a couple hours of gaming between eating and sleeping when they get home.

- ayrt

[dethtoll]

I'm not assuming anything here, but you sure are. If people don't have access, then they don't fucking have access, and they're not what I'm talking about. My first point was in response to the anon I replied to completely ignoring PC gaming, and let's be real -- if you have a PC and it's not a 10-year-old piece of shit that chokes on Netscape, you can play a fucking video game somehow. My second point is strictly about time management.

Please, try to follow the discussion before jumping all over me.

[(Anonymous)]

Assumption 1: a PC is not a console.
Maybe strictly speaking, it isn't, but as far as "a platform for which to play games on" goes, a PC is in the same category as a PS3 and everything else. Why is the lack of access to a PC any different from the lack of access to a PS3? Macs exist and aren't compatible with a lot of PC games, and if you're running an out-of-date OS (like I am), even some games that are Mac-compatible aren't accessible.

Assumption 2: playing video games can be done anywhere you can read or watch videos.
Just because reading and watching videos can be done anywhere or any time you can play a video game doesn't mean the reverse holds true. Like I said (which you apparently failed to comprehend), you can read a book (either a physical book or on a Kindle/iPad/Nook/whathaveyou) or watch videos (on an iPad/iPhone/Android/whatever) in far more situations than you can play a video game. Some people actually do have schedules that consist of working, eating, and sleeping, and very little actual leisure time to actually sit down and devote several hours to playing a video game.

-ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, PC games exist - but if you want to get into anything with a currently active fandom, it's probably a fairly recent game, and you probably need a fairly good computer to play it. I'd like to think my computer's okay (it's pretty typical for someone not on the cutting edge of technology, anyway), but I still can't really play most things that have come out in the past several years. (And I don't know about Wii emulation, but DS emulators also run almost unplayably slow on my computer.)

[dethtoll]

Aside from the fact that like 95% of today's PC games are on console anyway, the few remaining exclusives (and there's not very many) do not as a rule require a hefty machine. The indie scene, which makes up the bulk of today's PC-exclusive segment, has been very good to people with low-end hardware. The rest tend to be mostly sim games (and I mean ArmA II or that ridiculously expensive train game noods was freaking out about the other day, not the Sims), RTS games, and obscure stuff out of central Europe.

But all this is academic. The point I was trying to make has been strictly that PC gaming as a platform does exist, it's available, if you have the money and the interest it's there for you to partake in. God forbid I advocate my preferred platform. If you don't have access, that's a completely different discussion and I'm tired of people trying to run a privilege game on me because I don't mention all those poor people who don't have access.

[(Anonymous)]

My original comment was about people not having access, and you came in here ranting about PC games like it made a damn bit of difference. You even said it yourself: if people don't have access, they don't have access. Why exactly are you getting so fucking defensive over one damn platform? You apparently agree with me that not having access is a problem, so I don't know why you had to start off your original comment with "I disagree with you." Had you simply talked about the accessibility of PC gaming, I'm sure fewer people would have jumped on you. As it is, you're coming across as overly defensive and a tad elitist about PC games.

- original anon that apparently sparked your PC game stanning

[(Anonymous)]

Not to mention secondhand books are usually pretty cheap, libraries are free and often have inter-library loan systems set up if your local one doesn't have a book you're looking for, and movies are constantly getting rereleased in new editions and formats.
Games, on the other hand, often seem to go out-of-print within the first year or so. More and more companies are starting to port their old catalogs to Steam, the PSN, the XBLA, and the Virtual Console, but it's a really slow process, and even then there'll probably still be plenty of games that get left behind because the companies that own them just don't think it'd be worth it.

[dethtoll]

The forgotten 1999 classic System Shock 2 just got released on gog.com. Nobody ever thought that would happen, because the rights to the IP were pretty tangled up for well over a decade. Up until a week or so ago the only way to play SS2 was to find an old $80 copy (still got mine!) or get the ISO somewhere. Old games don't just disappear after a year. In fact, old PC games have gotten more attention now than they ever had before... and that's not even including the whole abandonware scene. And even older console games aren't lost entirely -- emulation is a thing.

[(Anonymous)]

You say shit like this like someone who casually wants to play one or two games would know any of this.

Like, I literally JUST want to play FF7 and I can't figure out how because I don't know a shit ton about games, where to find old ones or what emulating is.

And I have so little down time as it is that I'm not going to fucking tie myself in knots trying to figure it out - I'm just going to watch an LP.

[dethtoll]

GOOD FOR YOU, YOU GO DO THAT THEN!

Jesus Christ.

[(Anonymous)]

Being ignorant is fun! Learning is for losers!

[otakugal15]

GOOGLE IS YER FRIEND

GOOGLE PS1 EMULATORS.

GOT IT? GOOD. NOW.

GOOGLE FF7 FOR EMULATORS.

GOT IT? GOOD.

NOW GET TO DOWNLOADING AND PLAYING. AND, IF YOU BY ANY CHANCE CAN GET ONE, GET A LOGITECH CONTROLLER OR AN XBOX WIRED ONE.

THEN YOU CAN PLAY.

NOT THAT HARD.