[ SECRET POST #2318 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2318 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

09. http://i.imgur.com/oKtiOhK.png

[(Anonymous)]

I hope you can understand why people might not necessarily view "I like the suffering of strangers" as a really valid reason for why graphic violence is seen as more acceptable than graphic sexual content?

On a more abstract level, I hope you can recognize in principle why people might have a problem with the dichotomy between the two even if you don't share their feelings. I mean, I don't think the critique of that dichotomy usually comes from "I want to see lots of titties" or whatever; it's more about the negative consequences and the illogical nature of the phenomenon than anyone's personal feelings.

[(Anonymous)]

Not OP, but... no, I don't understand. BDSM is hip these days, and that's all "I like the suffering of loved ones." So why not strangers? Who cares? Only jerks.

[dethtoll]

uh

[(Anonymous)]

BDSM is hip these days, and that's all "I like the suffering of loved ones."

what

[yeranonnyharry]

[bigredhug]

I think you need to learn about the BDSM philosophy of Safe Sane and Consensual. It's kind of important.

[(Anonymous)]

Schadenfreude FTW!

Personally, I'm fine with nudity if it makes sense. Fred just got out of the shower and is getting dressed = okay. Susie is going to pay her mortgage and forgot a shirt = not okay.

[tabaqui]

+1

[greenvelvetcake]

What, you DON'T sometimes forget to wear pants when you leave the house?

[kallanda_lee]

Hey, let me try to explain a bit.

It's not about you (and your preferences). I think it's perfectly fine if you like (fictional) violence.

But many of us (and especially Europeans looking at American media) feel like there is this huge double standard when it comes to violence versus nudity in terms of both rating and perception.

I do think it's nuts that 20 people being shot in the head is "okay" for & 13-year old to see, but OH NOES A NIPPLE AVERT YOUR CHILDREN'S GAZE.

Not all nudity is sexual, and a lot of media is simply unwilling (or not allowed to) make that distinction.

IMHO, it's less damaging for kid to see a boob than live-action evisceration. And THAT'S generally what people are pointing out.

If you, as an adult, or almost-adult, enjoy a bloody gore extravaganza, knock yourself out. The criticism isn't about individual tastes, but about cultural tendencies.

[deadtree]

the thing that really gets me is that rape garners a lower MPAA rating than pleasurable sex... for a woman. A woman enjoying sex is a lot likelier to get hit with the kiss-of-death NC17 than an extended rape scene.

That makes me want to vomit.

[(Anonymous)]

Late comment is late, but...

Yes to all of this.

Same with cursing. It always boggles my mind that Season 3 of Supernatural is rated FSK18 (NC-17) in Germany (my guess is for Dean's death scene, the other seasons are rated FSK16) - but they're not even allowed to say "fuck"?! You're really more concerned about a word than about one of the main characters getting ripped apart in gorey detail?! Different cultures and all, but that just makes no sense to me.

[(Anonymous)]

I'll much rather watch a fighting scene than a sex scene in a movie. I don't know what's supposed to be so hypocritical about it. I don't see how those subjects are even comparable.

[(Anonymous)]

because they are both subjects that we feel we need to shield younger viewers from. See movie ratings.

Yet, we currently have the situations where killing a whole bunch of people explicitly on screen can lead to a much lower rating than a flash of some bare (not even necessarily sexual) breasts. It isn't about judging people on what they want to see. If you wanna see a violent scene, fine! It's about how our society rates these things and what that says about us as a whole.

[visp]

That... really has nothing to do with the fact that you get off on violence. In fact, if people knew that you were getting off on the violent scenes they'd probably give them a more restrictive rating.

Also, I'm hoping this was a troll - there's a quirkyness to it that makes it a great troll secret.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, in your case it's probably not because you don't like nudity in movies, but because you enjoy the suffering of strangers.

I won't fuss you about it, but if I knew you I would avoid you.

Bad plan

[(Anonymous)]

That would just make them enjoy your suffering.

[ninthlife]

I just really hope you meant to say "fictional strangers".

[(Anonymous)]

I know it's ridiculous, but I'm one of those people who see nudity as MUCH more offensive than blatant violence and gore. I know it's backwards here in the USA, but that's how I feel to my core.

I get turned on by blood & violence a lot of the time anyway, so...I don't know. Take that how you will.

[(Anonymous)]

I think I'd be a lot more comfortable with nudity if it was more equal. I'm so fucking sick of seeing tits for no goddamn reason. SO SICK. I know everyone and their cousin is all, "YAAY BOOBIES" but I'm the exact opposite. Stop being a whore, or show man junk. Make it equal or take it away.

[(Anonymous)]

Personally I prefer violence over nudity because in movies and tv the violence is not real.

If I'm watching someone get torn apart, I'm just watching a special effect. And sometimes it can be interesting to think about how they went about doing that (more for pre cgi movies of course)

But nudity? If I'm watching a woman (and it's always a woman) take her clothes off, she has actually taken her clothes off. I just find it uncomfortable, especially since I then become aware that as a woman this entire scene has not been made with me in mind, I then start to think about how embarresing this would all be, taking your clothes off in front of an entire film crew and then simulating sex with your co-worker.

Yes, I know this technically couldn't be applied to non-sexual nudity, but come on, how often do you see non-sexual nudity? Even if the woman isn't having sex, she's still taking the clothes of to titulate the male audience. That's always the entire purpose of those scenes.

[(Anonymous)]

This is an amazing analogy, thank you so much for this comment it's really helped me figure out how to explain it to people in the future, because I feel the exact same way. A+

[(Anonymous)]

Not true. Sorry you feel that way but what about the lesbians. What about all of the male nude scenes (Casino Royale, for instance?) Yeah, yeah, there's always some male gazing going on, even when women have their clothes on, but reducing every nude scene to just sex is pretty damn insulting to a lot of artists, male and female alike.

[straycatblues]

In my opinion,gore/violence>nudity.If I'm watching a movie with my parents,I won't get embarrassed because surprise!boobs.