[ SECRET POST #2330 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2330 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Before we get into this again, please define "theft," anon.

[(Anonymous)]

Taking something that isn't free without paying for it.

[(Anonymous)]

Except OP, like many of us, would pay for it if the option were available, and DOES pay for it when it finally becomes so. This is corporate shortsightedness, not individual fail.

[(Anonymous)]

Which is STILL stealing.

Your neighbor has a nice car. You want to buy it. He doesn't want to sell it. So you take it anyway, because you should have a nice car, and it's his fault he doesn't want to sell it to you.

Theft.

[(Anonymous)]

Except with pirating he still has the car.

[(Anonymous)]

But his car is now worth less. Maybe it doesn't matter to him but it does to the people who sold it to him. So now they can't make enough money to keep their dealership in business so no one can buy a car at all.

[(Anonymous)]

It is not stealing/theft. The person watching a non-sanctioned copy is not taking anything from anyone else. In your example, the car is gone, because the person wants it/takes it. What is physically taken in this instance? Did the person steal DVDs? Nope! Did the person steal a master copy of the work in question? Nope!

Yes, it is illegal, but it is not theft.

[(Anonymous)]

It is theft. When you steal from a big, anonymous company it doesn't seem like it. But it is. Every court in the world would agree.

[(Anonymous)]

Something doesn't have to be a physical object to be stolen. Intellectual property is as much open to theft as is a painting.

[writerserenyty]

It's theft. I'd argue in OP's situation it's not as bad as other things, but it's still theft.

[(Anonymous)]

Your neighbor's 5 year old drew a crayon stick figure. You want to buy it but your neighbors aren't selling it at any price. You take a photo of the crayon drawing instead and they chase you down the street.

Theft

[(Anonymous)]

Finally an analogy that does work for digital copies!

[ariakas]

Holy shit, someone actually understands the notion of copyright infringement.... ....on my internet?!

[(Anonymous)]

But unlike your scenario, nobody is deprived of anything by someone instructing their hard drive to arrange the ones and zeroes in a particular way. That's the thing about information: it's freely replicable, barring the cost of obtaining and running the hardware.

[(Anonymous)]

It is still someone's property, they made it by putting a lot of effort into the project and then they distributed it, they expect to be reimbursed for it. Just because it is not a physical item does not mean it is not someone's property.

[(Anonymous)]

The people who stand to make money off the sale of the media are deprived of the DVD cost. Stay with me here...

1) Jim wants a season of Dr Who. It's not available for purchase in his country. Jim therefore cannot watch the show, and the company does not increase its income. No one benefits.

2) Same situation, except Jim downloads the season. Jim gets what he wants, but the company still does not make any money for the transfer of the episodes. Jim is the only one who benefits from the theft.

For much of the internet, there seems to be an overall feeling of "I want it, so I should have it". While that's not wrong in and of itself, people frequently overlook the fact that sometimes life just isn't fair, and we don't get what we want if we don't or can't come by it fairly.

[dethtoll]

Car analogy! Five points off!

[lynx]

I will never understand what kind of thought-process can lead to some people comparing material objects with inmateral ideas.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm laughing so hard at this fail of an allegory.

[(Anonymous)]

YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A CAR

[(Anonymous)]

And that was criminal justification.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think a price- even if it is 0, i.e. "free" - can be applied to something that can't be purchased. With that in mind, can you clarify?

[(Anonymous)]

Which this isn't, because the original copy still exists so nothing has been taken. You can't even claim lost revenue when there was no option to pay in the first place.

[(Anonymous)]

"Because you feel entitled to it" is not a legit reason to take something that you did not pay for. It doesn't matter what the circumstances are.

[(Anonymous)]

I bet you live in the US.