[ SECRET POST #2518 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2518 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

Spoilers for Hannibal

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry. No. Do you really think Hannibal has a genuine/true affection for/ kindness towards Will when he fucking erases all proof of Will being sick so he can continue to manipulate him for his own amusement? Or when he framed him for the cannibalistic murders he committed (in part, at least, by force feeding him the ear of someone he cared for)? Yes, Hannibal "cares" about Will, as people (Mads and TPTB) have said. But it is in his own way, only in terms of what is best for Hannibal, not Will. It isn't genuine kindness at all. I mean, a case might have been possible early in the season, but by the end of it? Not even a little bit.

There is a reason that interpretation of Hannibal being an irredeemable villain who cares mostly for himself and his own amusement/manipulations is a popular one.

Re: Spoilers for Hannibal

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, Hannibal does have genuine affection for Will. This has been stated numerous times. He believes that he's helping Will become truer to himself. It's not just "I want to fuck with Will because it's fun".

Re: Spoilers for Hannibal

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

It's not genuine. It's sick and twisted and manipulative and all kinds of wrong. I'm not saying that Hannibal doesn't feel that he is doing things because he cares for him. But he is not right in the head and it is not real affection/genuine kindness. He fucks with Will for his own ends. Not necessarily because it is "fun" but because it is what he thinks is best. What he wants. Rather than what is truly best for Will and taking into account what Will wants.

I like twisted Hannibal/Will; it's not that I am against all Hannibal/Will. But despite there being emotion there, it is not genuine kindness. Not even a little bit. I really don't understand people that can't appreciate the fucked up nature of the relationship and want it to be all fluffy and "OMG Hannibal so cares for Will and they will live happily ever after". I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Re: Spoilers for Hannibal

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Maybe I'm missing something but... can't affection be both twisted and genuine? And affection and kindness aren't the same thing, so...

Re: Spoilers for Hannibal

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

The secret specifically said "like whenever they show any sign of kindness it has to be a total lie" and talked about "doesn't mean they are incapable of genuinely caring for another person" and the first person I replied to said they agreed +1000. So I was going with that. Yes, affection can be genuine (but only in that character's mind) and twisted at the same time. But no, I don't see Hannibal as one capable of showing true kindness or of genuinely caring for another person (beyond what that means for him, I mean really caring about the person and what the person wants).

Re: Spoilers for Hannibal

[(Anonymous)]

It has also been stated numerous times that even though Hannibal has affection for Will, that doesn't mean he wouldn't kill and eat Will if he suddenly felt like it.

I'd also argue that him helping Will "become truer to himself" isn't necessarily a good or kind thing, considering it could easily mean he wants Will to embrace his inner darkness and become a killer.

Re: Spoilers for Hannibal

[purpleseas]

I'm not even going to get into it with these others, since it seems like you can see from Hannibal's point of view or you can't and there's very little middle ground, but I like you, anon. :D

Re: Spoilers for Hannibal

[(Anonymous)]

The original anon who argued the point with you, not the anon you were replying to.

And I don't expect you to engage me on this. In fact, considering I'm anon and can't track it, I don't know that I'd even see if you did respond. But I felt the need to do so.

since it seems like you can see from Hannibal's point of view or you can't
What? I can totally see it from Hannibal's point of view. But Hannibal is an unreliable narrator who also happens to be a fucking insane cannibalistic serial killer. Sure, he thinks he cares for Will and possibly believes that he truly is helping Will to be a better person. However, we, as (supposedly) impartial third party observers, who are privy to all of the information and not, in fact, insane and skewed in our perceptions, should be able to see that Hannibal doesn't experience true affection or demonstrate kindness of any kind.

Would you really want someone in your life who did the things to you that Hannibal did to Abigail, Will, and countless other victims? Would you really consider these actions kind?

Re: Spoilers for Hannibal

[purpleseas]

If you sincerely want to talk about this and find these threads hard to follow, PM me here or on LJ (same name) and I'll be happy to explain my issues with your interpretation and go on and on about Hannibal's actual point of view, not this bloodless, endlessly caveat-laden thing you're presenting as the only acceptable way to understand his point of view. I enjoy detailed discussion and would also be open to making a new post for it, but I'm not going to sit here and talk meta to myself on the off chance that someone might read it. Get a fake account if you want, I don't care. A show has to bore me terribly before I'll start watching as an impartial observer, so our approaches may just be basically incompatible. If you just want to have the last word or something and ask silly questions about whether I want a serial killer bff in real life, I'm not interested.