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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-12-01 03:53 pm

[ SECRET POST #2525 ]


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(frozen comment) LISTEN TO ME WHITE PEOPLE

(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 02:06 am (UTC)(link)
You are NOT innocent. Your privileged lifestyle that you now benefit from is a direct result of the centuries of oppression forced upon the people of color who were enslaved and forced to build the ivory towers than you now inhabit.

You don't deserve to die, clearly, but please stop pretending you're innocent in this matter just because you personally did not directly participate.

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 02:18 am (UTC)(link)
I just love how SJW assume all white people have a "privileged lifestyle".

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 02:23 am (UTC)(link)
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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
Oh shut up shut up SHUT THE FUCK UP. I am so sick of people like you and your attitude that one skin colour needs to be put down or demeaned to benefit another. It's NOT okay, in ANY situation. YOU are just as bad as those you claim to hate. Get fucking bent.

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 02:31 am (UTC)(link)
but their point about the existence of historical and long-lasting systems of racism and oppression is not really incorrect, nor is the point that some people have historically benefited from those systems and others have not, nor is the point that the current economic and political systems of most Western countries are the consequences of their long histories, and in substantial respects the consequences of colonialism and imperialism in their histories. you can't ignore that history when its consequences still live today. insisting on the recognition of that history is not the same as saying that one skin colour needs to be put down or demeaned; it's a description of how the world is.

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 02:32 am (UTC)(link)
+2, mostly

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
Well, here's the thing...the African slave trade would not have succeeded so well if it hadn't been for other tribes that were more than willing to sell their enemies to white people.

So, by your logic, their descendants are also not innocent in the matter.

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
nayrt

Those descendants, of course, being those who did not benefit from the process in a systemic, long-lasting way, and who in addition would later be subjects of European imperial states during the colonial period in Africa.

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, most of the descendents of those tribes already got their comeuppance when they were enslaved in turn, and when the whole continent was turned into a clusterfuck due to European powers slicing up different parts of it for their amusement. So, what went around came around. When white Westerners finally get their turn at that table (which they will, because haha fucking humans), then I guess black people can let bygones be bygones, while the Chinese are making all our lives hell.

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
I'm poor, so no, I don't have an ivory life of luxury. Plus my ancestors are either from Russia exclusively or were Irish immigrants who came over long after slavery ended. So I don't give two fucks about feeling 'guilty' for something I had zero part in, mmkay.

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
That's really not how white privilege works. Having white privilege doesn't mean people think you've got class privilege or any other kind, or that you don't have bad days. It just means that, being white, you've benefitted from stuff at the expense of other people, or just, like, not had to think about things that other people have to struggle with daily.

It's quite similar, really*, that everyone from a middle class background and higher doesn't ever have to think about what it's *really* like to be poor, or they take things for granted that are not part of your reality, ever (a good example of this would be the other day, I was stressing about juggling money to make bill payments, and a friend suggested I just ask my parents for the money. LOL no, they're poor too).

* This doesn't mean all privilege always functions exactly the same, but it's a good 101 version of what "privilege" generally means.

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 02:48 am (UTC)(link)
"Wahhh stop pretending you're innocent of something just because you didn't do it!!!" AKA the definition of the fucking word. Are you even listening to yourself?

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 03:21 am (UTC)(link)
Actually, that anon said "directly". That kind of matters. You can be complicit in something even if you didn't get your hands dirty. That is not the definition of innocent.

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
I'm only responsible for my own actions. I educate myself, constantly. I strive to be aware of my own ingrained prejudices and eliminate them. I try to educate others.

No, I'm not responsible for something someone else did just because I'm directly descended from him. And I am, in fact, descended from some truly awful people. But I can't go back in time. All I can do is try to make things better for the future.

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
SA

Sorry, present and future, I mean.
insanenoodlyguy: (Awesomeface)

(frozen comment) Nah.

[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2013-12-02 02:59 am (UTC)(link)
Rather, you should let it go.

There are plenty of current issues you could focus on instead of impossible goals (you will never make everybody feel bad for shit they didn't do)

(frozen comment) Re: Nah.

(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
Are you kidding me? I could power half the Western world using white guilt as a fuel. It's kind of hilarious because it doesn't actually fix anything (since first, people made to feel guilty tend to get defensive rather than repentant, as the internet backlash against social justice demonstrates, and second, feeling guilty isn't the same as being useful), but it's still really fun to bully people you've felt bullied by for whatever reason, because people are petty.

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 04:01 am (UTC)(link)
people will let it go once the shit in the past stops effecting our presents and futures. news flash: it's not black people holding ourselves back because of the ~chips on our shoulders~

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
Hey my towers aren't ivory, they're polish marble thank you very much.

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
And I live in a country without a history of black slavery or African colonies. So what does it make me according to you? btw I'm not a
PoC.

Also a I was personally harrased by black people. Have you been directly harmed by white people more than black people?

I think with all these special grants for black students and such in the USA, white people're underpriveleged. I haven't lived there so I may be mistaken, but this is how it seems to me from the media.

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 03:37 am (UTC)(link)
Go eat some fried chicken

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
i suspect you're a troll, but you're right. black fans rooting for madame laveau is not hurting anyone except white fans feefees.

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 12:13 pm (UTC)(link)
So, you think people whould be punished for the wrongdoings of family members, even though they themselves had nothing to do with it?

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 12:23 pm (UTC)(link)
My ancestors only took white slaves, thanyouverymuch.