[ SECRET POST #2541 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2541 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Glad to know I'm not the only one without a hard-on for Martin Freeman's Bilbo. I didn't really like him.

[(Anonymous)]

I just dislike Martin Freeman so much that I can't actually tell if he does an okay job with Bilbo and I'm being unfair with my dislike, or if Freeman!Bilbo just is a gigantic bag of dicks.

[kaijinscendre]

So are there a lot of people saying they don't like Freeman as Bilbo? Because I have loved him.

[(Anonymous)]

There's nothing that makes me care less about people complaining about characters or actors than when they can't spell their names right while doing so. Tauriel.

[(Anonymous)]

This movie made me think "wow I'm too old for this", and I'm the type who avoids that kind of thinking :(

At least the first Hobbit was reasonably goofy and likable, but now that they're gone all serious it becomes too obvious how childish and trite the whole damn story is. Sigh. So bored at the theater.

[fingalsanteater]

I thought it was okay. It grew on me the longer I watched it, but I was very iffy on in the first thirty minutes.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree about The Hobbit sucking - both the first and the second.

But Martin Freeman's Bilbo was one of the only things I liked? Yet, in the second movie, it felt like he was hardly in it. He just wasn't a focus. Freaking Tauriel was more memorable.

[(Anonymous)]

I just don't understand all the 'new' stuff in DoS. It just made the movie drag on instead of being maybe 40 minutes longer and wrapping it all up.

Secret 9 - The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug (film)

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[Picture is a poster of the movie "The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug", showing Bilbo Baggins standing outside a stone door on a mountain, with rocks and ruins and dead trees around him.]

I loved the Lord of the Rings and I tried to like the Hobbit. But I thought this movie was so bad, I was relieved I had to leave the theater 30 minutes in.

Whatever about Tauriel. Peter Jackson destroyed Beorn's introduction. And, yeah, Martin Freeman is just terrible as Bilbo. I'm really disappointed.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm really starting to think all these "WORST MOVIE EVER" people are trolls or people that expected Lord of the Rings the Sequel.

But then again I remember being sobbing and screaming about how the Lord of the Rings movies were horrible trash that ruined everything.

[nightscale]

I quite like Martin Freeman as Bilbo and pretty much the best scenes for me in DoS was his conversation with Smaug(but tbh I really enjoyed Smaug a whole bunch).

Can we stop with the Mary Sue sh*t now?

[elephantinegrace]

(Sorry this is so long. I pretty much see red whenever I read the words "Mary Sue.")

Yes, Tauriel did not exist in the books. This is a fact brought up by the creators, who admitted to bringing her in to avoid having Fellowship 2.0 (or Fellowship 1.0 since the LotR trilogy take place later storywise, IDK) be entirely male. And I'll admit that some of this is going to be biased because hello, Tauriel's existence improves the survival chances of the guy in my icon. (Oh, come on, the books have been out for decades.)

But my expectations for Tauriel were incredibly low going in, because I knew she was brought in to appeal to a female demographic, and seeing previous Hollywood attempts to "appeal" to a female demographic made me weep harder than someone who cuts onions for a living. And then I actually saw the movie and I was blown away by most of her scenes.

[THE REST OF THIS COMMENT CONTAINS SPOILERS FOR THE ACTUAL MOVIE!]




She comes in kicking asses (well, spinnerets) and saving lives. She's a lower-class elf who was never supposed to lead an elf army platoon, but ended up proving herself up to it. And she's never presented as perfect, or even two-dimensional (one-dimensional objects exist only as a mathematical concept). She shows the same racist (speciesist? I'm not really sure what it should be called) prejudices that Legolas has by not giving Kili a weapon even when there were a shit-ton of spiders coming at her and it would have made her job easier (remember, she didn't go to that little area for Kili, she went because her trope of elves were ordered to kill every spider). She doesn't help Kili escape even after she hears about their mission and they bond. In that room with the captured Orc, she almost kills him and gets (rightfully) rebuked for it because she was acting stupidly. And she even takes advantage of the fact that Legolas in love with her to risk both their lives to find Kili and thanking him for that by leaving him to fight a couple Orcs alone without telling him while she saves Kili (which only she could do at that particular moment, yes, but after he was healed, surely she could have left to make sure the guy she unexpectedly abandoned wouldn't fucking die?)

You don't have to like her, but she's one of the most interesting characters in the movie and I can't wait to see how her storyline plays out. Not just with Kili (oh, man, Kauriel/Tili/whatever was definitely the worst part of that movie), but everyone.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

You know I am at the stage of yelling STFU at everyone who gets bitchy and complains that the movie is bad.

I haven't seen it yet (no, I don't mind spoilers), but I absolutely refuse to let fraggers turn me off my beloved fandom.

And I like Martin Freeman as Bilbo. I think he's great.

[(Anonymous)]

It makes me really sad to see how many fans will piss themselves and cry and scream and throw a hue fit the minute a female character is introduced into a sausage-fest cast.
I mean Jesus Christ fandom, you're not even trying to cover your inner sexism anymore.
So glad I never got into this fandom.
Y'all sound like awful people.

[(Anonymous)]

Well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

I am soooo glad they changed Beorn's introduction, it always made me roll my eyes in the book. If they come in two at a time he won't realize there's so many of them? Bringing him to their side via storytelling? I really liked him in the movie.

I also really liked Tauriel. The Hobbit is written pretty much as a children's fable, and it tends to gloss over a lot of parts (like in The Lion The Witch and the Wardrobe, characters sleeping through massive fate-changing battles)...naturally they'd want to elaborate on those parts, and I saw it as a great opportunity to add a new and female character.

[(Anonymous)]

The movie was visually beautiful and I loved it.

Of course if your a hardcore Tolkein-purist you will not be satisfied. I think people get this sense that they are 'holier than thou' if they read the source material and complain about any adaptations. LotR trilogy made a lot of alterations and it was still successful and enjoyed, these people still bitch about the LotR movie trilogy. So I can't take them seriously for moaning about The Hobbit.

I loved Desolation of Smaug, it was an enjoyable ride from beginning to end. My only complaint is the dragon stuff ran a bit too long, but otherwise amazing movie. The first two movies in The Hobbit trilogy were fun, beautiful, and fleshed out Middle-Earth a lot more.

[stealsyourtea]

Well, we all have our our opinions about the ovie.

I'm more miffed at the fact Beorn didn't get to call Bilbo little bunny. (Yes, I was waiting for that) Also, the pacing of the film is all over the freaking place which didn't. I didn't mind Taurie at all I think she was pretty bad ass. I disliked the romance since it took less the a few minutes to develop. Maybe if it were more developed, it might have worked.

Odd question, was anyone underwhelmed by Smaug? I was expecting a bit more when it came to him. His design was okay. I guess I was expecting something more grand. IDK I can't put my finger on what bothered me about him.

Also, isn't the Hobbit movie technically aimed for kids? I'm mean, I think they are the target audience. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

It's weird how this fandom seems split strictly between people with huge irrational hateboners for the movies and people so adamantly defensive of them they're blind to any legitimate criticisms.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, finally a discussion about how this movie was just... bad. Not Terrible, but bad. And I even quite liked Tauriel and found Freeman as Bilbo an ok choice, but what about that weird pacing? And all those changes that did nothing new to the story and shoved some weird action scenes into the places where the book had clever dialogs or more quiet moments? What was with that totally awkward love triangle that I didn't think was fleshed out in the least, like what was their motivation for making Tauriel fall in love during... 1 conversation? And then abandoning the chase for the orks when that was allegedly her reason for not heading her kings orders? I didn't hat Tauriel, and I didn't hate the potential of romance and in the beginning it looked like it had potential to become more than the sum of its cliches... but really?! And all the non-existing character arcs, and the endless chase scene and the monologuing dragon and...
I liked the first one better and I really think staying more with the scenes from the book could have helped immensely. Also, none of the jokish moments came as a surprise, like almost nothing in this movie didn't feel cliché to me... Yes it looked pretty but I wish I could have worked out of the theatre during the last hour to spare me the bore.

[(Anonymous)]

Hm. I was moderately unimpressed with the first movie (honestly, I liked the old Rankin/Bass cartoon better in a lot of ways.) This does not bode well for the second.

[rbhudson]

No, not Beorn, he's my favorite character from the book </3

[(Anonymous)]

I was soooo bored during the first Hobbit movie I'm not even going to give the second one a chance.

(And I loved LotR too)

[cakemage]

I haven't seen the movie yet, and I'm trying not to prejudge it, but I will admit that I'm worried about Tauriel's portrayal. I don't object to her existence in the film-canon, and I'm willing to give her a chance, but all I've heard about her from official sources is that she's a good fighter and she's in a love triangle with Kili and Legolas, and I'm really hoping that there's more to her character than just those two traits, y'know?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling this way. Although I haven't seen Smaug yet, the first one was a bit painful to watch. I just couldn't immerse myself into the world completely. The storytelling seemed mediocre too - or have I just seen too many movies to be numbed by the cliches of screenwriting...

I've heard there are some great things in the sequel but we'll see if I ever get down to watching it.