[ SECRET POST #2550 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2550 ⌋

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[Rachel Getting Married]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand people who refuse to watch kids' shows in general. They have good messages (usually) that a lot of adults seem to have forgotten.

[iggy]

Because there are many pieces of 'children's entertainment' that are honestly more mature than a lot of stuff catered toward adults?

(I watch a lot of both, but in some cases I definitely think I'd rather watch the kiddie stuff.)

[(Anonymous)]

Grave of the Fireflies is the first thing that springs to mind, for me at least.

[(Anonymous)]

I recently watched Kaiba, which is animated, and I was really impressed with how it dealt with adult themes and how introspective it was. In particular, it was good about dealing with body swapping and feeling uncomfortable in them without resorting to the whole comedic schtick or dumb jokes that usually comes with that sort of thing. It also had a sex scene that didn't feel to me at least that it was added for drama or sexiness that I've seen in adult live action shows but rather part of the narrative. It was also more reliant on a "show, don't tell" narrative than most live action shows I've seen.

[iggy]

Well it could just be a matter of opinion, but I would consider a tv show like Avatar: the Last Airbender to be a superior presentation of a lot of adult ideas to a lot of adult shows. I think that Up offers a more mature and nuanced approach to love and grieving than most adult entertainment, and I legitimately think it was the best film the year it came out. Both are animated, and both are geared toward younger audiences. Someone mentioned Grave of the Fireflies as well.

Also children's and YA lit are kind of my focus study-wise, and I feel like YA lit especially is often a lot braver about tackling adult issues than actual adult books.

[(Anonymous)]

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I don't understand people who think this is a one-or-the-other proposition. It's possible to watch and enjoy both "grown-up" shows and animated/kid-oriented shows.

Maturity Level?

[jaybie_jarrett]

Kid's shows can be serious, deep and interesting.

Confer: http://daughter-in-the-basement.tumblr.com/post/39118327867/the-fridge-horror-of-dannielle-phantom < fridge implications in a show on fuckin Nickleodeon.

(also look at some of the stuff Avater: The Last Airbender and the first season of Korra had.

Kid's shows don't have to mean mindless immature garbage. Also people can watch both.

Re: Maturity Level?

[(Anonymous)]

there was some surprisingly dark stuff in danny phantom, yeah

(too bad that the guy that kept pushing the show in that mature direction then left at the end of season 2. oh well)

Re: Maturity Level?

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Avatar had some of the systemic thinking about power and environment that I just come to expect in the SF&F I read. Some of that is Juvenile/YA, most isn't.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, animated and general audience usually has a much lower quality of story telling it's expected and much easier to get away with, but I really like a lot artsy stuff done in some of animation and it's occasionally nice to watch something where you don't have to care about mature topics for mature adults, I guess. I like the short show length (ie 12 or 24 episodes) you usually see in anime too, because seasonal rot doesn't happen as much, even if most of there's not too many things in anime actually worth watching.

[(Anonymous)]

I like the short show length (ie 12 or 24 episodes) you usually see in anime too, because seasonal rot doesn't happen as much

This is exactly why I have stopped watching almost all Western TV shows-- I can't stand the way they drag them on and on instead of just letting the story end. Give me a 12-episode show with a definitive plot arc and ending over a rambling 8-season show that just keeps decaying more and more in each season as writers change and actors come and go.

[feotakahari]

It doesn't feel like shows for grownups are allowed to be idealistic anymore. I mean, even the recent Superman movie went all dark and serious. I'm an idealistic person, so I naturally prefer the stuff made for children nowadays over the stuff made for grownups nowadays. (BTW, I would watch the hell out of something for adults that recaptured the tone and feel of the original Star Trek series--I think that's what people are looking for that they can only find in children's shows these days.)

[cbrachyrhynchos]

As opposed to YA lit since 1960s, which is never cynical, melodramatic, or dark.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. My aversion to gore led me to check out a few episodes of Goosebumps once in the hopes that I could get a good scary story without the explicit, copious blood and guts most adult scary fare seems to absolutely require these days, even on network TV. While the stories were pretty good, I couldn't really get into them because the characters were tweens or high schoolers and I just couldn't relate to them at all. Once you get past the core plot, it's all about dealing with parents and school and, well, kid things.

[caerbannog]

I don't see how someone's supposed maturity level would dictate what they find fun :/

[(Anonymous)]

I'm kinda with Stella on this. I need characters I can relate to, not characters I could have related to if they'd been around when I was a teen. I don't refuse to watch kid's shows, but there are very few that I will give a chance. If the previews don't show me something that relates to my adult life or personality, I don't bother watching the show.

[feotakahari]

You just summed up why I don't usually watch American shows for adults. I can't relate to how cynical the characters are!

[(Anonymous)]

Really? I don't know you but the few times I've seen you around you came off as incredibly cynical. Yesterday's Perry Mason thread springs immediately to mind of course, but you've posted stuff like that before.

[(Anonymous)]

Well I have a pretty easy time interacting and relating to kids. They're people too, just smaller and still sucking in information like a sponge. So watching a child protagonist doesn't bother me at all as long as the story isn't condescending.

[(Anonymous)]

This. I don't see how or why becoming an adult would mean that you suddenly stop remembering what it was like to be a kid. I haven't been a teenager for over a decade, but I can still remember what it was like to be one and understand the sorts of things that teenagers think about.

I mean, hell, as an example, I just finished watching A Christmas Story. What makes that movie so relatable is the fact that almost everyone had an experience like that as a kid with something they desperately wanted for Christmas. My parents are in their 70s and still love that movie because it reminds them of their own childhoods.

[(Anonymous)]

You know, it's strange, but whenever I put down the "serious literature" and take a gander at some children's books, I always seem to find it not horribly difficult to their treatment of joy, loss, loneliness, insecurity, the need for love, etc. Why, it's almost as if these themes are universal. Like kids are human or something, and that we were once all like that. Weird.