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I've never heard of this comic until a few weeks ago. It's been plastered all over tumblr and whatnot lately, and I just don't understand how this makes sense. Is it really about a really racist white woman who didn't want her children to have "black features", but for some reason chose a black man to be the father of her children/Marry a black man? And then hates one of her kids for having "black features"? Is she supposed to be a really dumb racist or...? I don't understand how this works?

link? I have no idea what you're talking about but it seems hilarious and awful.

I don't know the specific comic link, but this is the comic: http://www.dumbingofage.com/

The current storyline is about twins whose parents are interracial, yet very racist and hate on the girl twin because she has 'curly hair'. The mother is white, with blonde hair and blue eyes. She...apparently is so acist she hates her 'black looking' daughter, yet she married and had kids with a man who is black and looks it.

The author apparently got extremely butthurt when asked how this was possible, and told everyone to shut up, because interracial couples can be so totally racist you guys!

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But stuff like that happens in real life? I knew a family, all black, and they'd totally make fun of one girl in the family for having super dark skin, like she was "too black" or something. Idk. It was really weird. So yeah, interracial couples can totes be racist, just like everyone else in the world. People are weird.

My point is that their kids are much lighter than the father, and honestly? If she's supposed to be so racist, why did she marry and have children with a black man...? Why not only date white men if she hates them so much?

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dethtoll - 2014-01-02 01:24 (UTC) - Expand

I knew a family, all black, and they'd totally make fun of one girl in the family for having super dark skin, like she was "too black" or something

Unfortunately, colorism is a wide spread problem that lingers within the black community and I've seen it even within my own family. I'm a black woman with skin that's on the light side (about beyonce light if you need a reference) while I have cousins who have much darker skin. Looking back on my childhood, I realize that my grandparents quite obviously favored their light skinned grandchildren over their darker skinned ones which I enjoyed at the time but didn't recognize the true reason behind it. There are also a lot of things that family members have said that I just thought were jokes at the time but in hindsight are cruel and offensive. My cousins were always given tips by well meaning aunts and such about what kinds of creams and home remedies they could use to lighten their skin, as if it were a given that they wanted to in the first place.

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dethtoll - 2014-01-02 02:53 (UTC) - Expand

AYRT

Oh. It's a David Willis thing, my interest is suddenly gone. Thanks for the link though!

Oh. It's a David Willis thing, my interest is suddenly gone.

lol. mte

No idea who that is, but he must be really awful, lol.

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The problem was mostly the author's comments.

It was good when it was ambigious. It suprned discussion. I thought that was what he wanted, and there were hints that both siblings had a point (Walky is a somewhat goofy child but in addition to looking more "white" does well in school and presents with very little drama, so he gets along well with his parents. Sal does seem to get treated different but has an actual criminal past that contributes to the strained relationship and flees almost immediately after showing up then yells at her brother about it)

The problem was when Willis started going "nope, Sal is right AND YOUR RACIST OR IGORNANT IF YOU CANT SEE THAT". Rather then keep it grey, with Sal having both some accuracy and some bitterness-clouded interpretations of her past and her reactions to it he's implying it's very simply this way and allowing for no interpretation of the work to be tolerated but that.

If you want it to be clear, in your work, you should make it clear IN YOUR WORK. Not tantrum on the internet and close down comments because of all the racists (read: People having fair interpretations of the work based on what's been presented so far in the story). Especially that last part. When you close down comments like that, it's hard to keep the same respect for an author.

the word you want is spurred, not spurned

spurned is what willis did AFTER he stopped being ambiguous

Oh Christ, the comment section. What irritated me more after he closed down the comment section was in the comments of another strip, he got annoyed with the person who asked why he didn't post any links to articles about racism in mixed-race families instead of just linking to people praising his storyline. And in response he kept going on about how the person was asking to links to Fox news articles on why racism doesn't exist, when that was clearly not what the guy asked for at all.

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His comments sections are almost always a disaster.

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It's about how the institution of racism does not magically go away in mixed marriages and families.

The parents aren't "super racist". It's just little microaggressions. This comic was kinda showing how they build up over time for the kids.

As for the story itself, it's actually just the backstory of one main character and one side character. (The siblings.) Other things are going on with other characters right now. It's just been focusing on these guys for the past few days. That's about it.

I still don't think it makes any sense to have a racist white woman go against logic and marry a man with features she hates. It seems really contrived to me, and I think there could have been a better way to go about that.

I just said she wasn't super racist. We don't actually know anything about the mother, only that she has a bad relationship with her daughter.

You haven't read it so I don't understand why you're complaining about things that haven't happened in the comic.

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insanenoodlyguy - 2014-01-02 05:30 (UTC) - Expand

Bigotry and prejudice are complicated and people can be racist and prejudiced in unpredictable, illogical ways, and apply their prejudices differently in different situations. The woman could be prejudiced without being a hardcore white nationalist, or w/e.

I've been following this comic from the beginning. The current arc is about the conflict between two mixed race kids -- the son is treated as more "white" and the daughter is treated as more "black" and there is indeed some serious favouritism going on here with the daughter considered a troublemaker or outright ignored. The son is more or less oblivious to it, and can't seem to understand why his sister is having so much trouble.

This tumblr post does a good job explaining it, I think. You do know there are more shades of racism than "I am not racist against black people" and "I am a member of the KKK," right?

That's a super good post, yes.

Far better than how Willis himself has been handling it, though.

...Didn't he also have her rob a store and sleep with her tutor? I don't understand how her being an awful person comes down to her father saying she looked nice with straight hair. It's also pretty racist in itself to say black people just rob stores and skip working hard to sleep their way to an easy A.

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1 she is not super racist, just mildly so. It has more to do with how white skin and features has set the standard for beauty than a straight up hatred of non-white features.

2. What, exactly, gave you the impression that he set out specifically to have kids with white skin and features? Unless there was a scene I'm missing in which she states that her entire goal in life is to have children with white features, I think you're misreading the situation. They had children, and they treated the one with the whiter features better, apparently because of the whiter features.

3. This wouldn't be the first time in American history that non-white people have oppressed other non-white people for being even less white. Look up the brown paper bag test. I had a coworker who belongs to an all black sorority that used to do that

She is far whiter than her father. The only "black" things about her are apparently her curly hair, which isn't a black only thing, committing armed robbery, and being stupider than her "whitey" brother. It's honestly like a racist person tried to make a SJW story, it's ridiculous. Oh, and acting like the brother should keep his accomplishments hidden just because it makes his horrible sister feel bad is pretty insulting, too.

Again, if she liked whiter features better, than she wouldn't have married a black guy. This whole "she married him despite him being black" is so nonsensical. Racist people don't do that. Racism isn't like a petpeeve where they can look past eating with your mouth open or not going to church.

Nobody told Walky to keep his accomplishments hidden, just stop flaunting how easily he accomplished them. And you do realize that the character you're talking about being racist is now the one that you're complaining about having a racist view of black people, right?

What can I tell you, that is exactly how racism works. Why do you think "I can't be racist, I have a black friend" is such a popular cliche? Heck, you can be racist against black people and be black, as my example of the sorority and the brown paper bag test demonstrates. And, guess what, there's a corresponding comb test, too.

It's apparent tht what you don't know about racism could fill a book. It's not the, pardon the term, black and white concept you make it out to be.

You are stupid.

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