[ SECRET POST #2588 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2588 ⌋

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Comments

[neonlovechicken]

I was thinking about this just the other day. I watched this movie, didn't like it all that much frankly, appreciated that the act of love is sibling love instead of the usual disney crap. (On a related note, were people really surprised that Hans was evil since the start? How is that even possible? I think I watch too many movies and no writing surprises me anymore, meh).

BUT. All the talk about Elsa as bi or gay seriously put me off. Couldn't it be that it was just NOT important, for once, what her sexuality was? Isn't that more refreshing than being bi/gay off screen? I don't know, I felt relieved that FINALLY there was an aromantic co-lead female character in a disney movie, because oh hai love isn't all there is to life for a woman, and instead I find wank about whether she is hot for males or females.

Seriously, I see how it's important that she can be seen as non hetero, but I just found the other reading more influential somehow.

[sarillia]

I hate that this has become some sort of contest. We need more queer women in media and we need more women who don't care about romance. It's not a zero sum game and I'm tired of people responding to people who like to imagine her as gay by complaining that women don't need romance when those same people don't say anything about straight romances.

[(Anonymous)]

Mte. I'm gay and appreciate the interpretation of Elsa as a lesbian. I don't care if some people see her as aromantic. Why can't she just be significant to everyone who is moved by her as a character?

[(Anonymous)]

But my issue here is: we have surprisingly refreshing canon, why create a potential parallel canon where CLEARLY she's not into guys and that's why she hasn't got one? For once I could have gone with what we have, and it's not her being asexual, mind you, it's just a not evil Disney Queen being without any love interest for the whole length of a Disney movie.

Now that's groundbreaking.

btw, that was ayrt

[neonlovechicken]

got stuck in anon more...

[(Anonymous)]

Why not create a potential parallel canon though? You can enjoy with what you have, and people who want to imagine Elsa as gay/bi can enjoy that. I'm not sure why that's a problem for you.

[neonlovechicken]

I guess if you put it that way I realize I'm coming off wrong here.

Of course I don't mind that people read her as gay or bi or hetero, I just don't understand why that's become the main wank issue, while it wasn't even remotely addressed in the movie.

I guess I'll go be that crazy tumblr anon that goes, 'woooes, i hate ships how dare u you are all stupid' on people's asks and fulfill my apparent purpose.

[sarillia]

Even if you read her as gay, she still doesn't have a love interest for the whole movie. I'm not understanding the issue here.

[misty_anon]

That's my stance on it too. Maybe I'm missing something?

[(Anonymous)]

this.

[inevitableentresol]

I loved the sibling love theme too. It was surprisingly sane. Disney films in the past were a bit creepy when young women were expected to leave their families at an early age upon marriage (Cinderella, Snow White, even Beauty and the Beast).

Evil Hans was magnificent Hans. The more evil he got, the more I enjoyed him.

[neonlovechicken]

I always love sibling themes (see icon), and not necessarily in shipping mode, like in this case. It was a Disney princess movie making fun of love at first sight and more about family, I found it very unusual in this sense.

I also loved the guy with the reindeer and the reverse love story with the princess.

Eh, now that I think about it I liked the concepts in it a lot, but the execution was aimed more at kids probably.

[inevitableentresol]

It was a Disney princess movie making fun of love at first sight and more about family, I found it very unusual in this sense.

It was almost a commentary on every other Disney princess movie ever.

I almost didn't believe they were going to go there, and when I realised they did, I was - yes, yes, yes!

[(Anonymous)]

I think that's why I didn't care for the movie, personally. Why can't love at first sight be just that? Why does there have to be a subversion? I don't watch Disney movies for realism.

And instead of ending up with a guy she knows for one day, she ends up with...a guy she knows for two days. Wow, big improvement. Way to go, Disney!

[inevitableentresol]

But she didn't end up with the second guy. That was the point. They ended the movie as friends, perhaps more in time.

And I'm speaking as someone who started a relationship with a man after knowing him two hours, been married to him for over twelve years now. So I'm as foolish in love as they come.

[(Anonymous)]

Aww, that is so sweet and amazing! Congratulations to the both of you!

With Anna and Kristoff though, I thought it was pretty clear that they did have feelings for each other by the end of the movie. Kristoff's kiss was supposed to break the curse, and Anna didn't second guess it. Plus there was the actual kiss at the end. They didn't end up married, but they're well beyond "just friends." That's what I meant by "ending up together."

[inevitableentresol]

Kissing someone is very different than agreeing to marry them. It was the 'marry the first boy you see' cliche that I thought this movie avoided.

I kissed my now-husband after knowing him two hours. I didn't marry him until over two years later. Thanks for your kind congratulations, anon.

[(Anonymous)]

Er, in the cases of Cinderella and Snow White at least, their "families" abused and/or tried to kill them. If I was them, I would want to get the hell out, too. And also (this should go without saying, but) women were generally expected to get married at young ages in the past.

I agree that evil Hans was magnificent, even though I was annoyed they made the decision to make him evil (I don't think this is the kind of film that needed a villain). I am a bit put off that they didn't have him go off into an evil reprise of "Love is an Open Door" though.

[inevitableentresol]

I am a bit put off that they didn't have him go off into an evil reprise of "Love is an Open Door" though.

That would have been FABULOUS. A villanous, comedy reprise. It would probably have spoiled the pacing of the movie, but now I'm imagining it, I want it.

Er, in the cases of Cinderella and Snow White at least, their "families" abused and/or tried to kill them.

Yeah, I thought it wasn't an entirely fair example as I said it. And Belle has her father visit her regularly after marriage. But there's still the old-fashioned unspoken expectation that a bride will move away and leave her home.

Ariel. That's a better example.

[(Anonymous)]

This. I'm bi myself but I really don't give a fuck what her sexuality is or isn't, I'm just happy she didn't get shoehorned into a romance plot. If we're going to have a bi/gay character, I want one where their sexuality is actually a part of their character in canon, because otherwise it really doesn't matter at all. You can read any character who doesn't have a canon love interest as bi or gay if you want to - let's get some where them not being straight is something that's explicitly stated rather than just headcanoned.