[ SECRET POST #2616 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2616 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

03. http://i.imgur.com/BjmLN2K.jpg

[rubbertea]

I agree op. Some people seem to think Tony Stark being a jackass makes him a better and/or more interesting character than these two; I disagree.

[(Anonymous)]

I find them boring because they are Mary Sues.

[(Anonymous)]

I always think of this article: http://www.ineffableaether.com/2011/08/24/light-in-the-dark/

And this quote from comic writer Greg Rucka.

(Pet peeve time: for the contingent out there who sneer at heroes like Superman and Wonder Woman and Captain America, those icons who still, at their core, represent selfless sacrifice for the greater good, and who justify their contempt by saying, oh, it’s so unrealistic, no one would ever be so noble… grow up. Seriously. Cynicism is not maturity, do not mistake the one for the other. If you truly cannot accept a story where someone does the right thing because it’s the right thing to do, that says far more about who you are than these characters.)

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you, OP! Cap is one of my all-time faves.
Also, I just really don't like Batman, and it seems for DC the ultimate debate always comes down to Batman vs Superman. I'm not very fond of Superman, but he's better than Batman, I suppose. Not a popular opinion, I know.

[dethtoll]

I agree.

[silvereriena]

Hey, I'd much rather hang out with Captain America than any angst-ridden superhero.

[(Anonymous)]

Hmm. I wouldn't say they were 'boring' or 'forgettable' (how can you accuse two of the biggest comic icons of being forgettable, seriously?), but I will say they're not the kind of character that interests me most.

They're, ah, how to put this? They're very fixed state sort of characters? Physically, I mean. In terms of superpowers, most of their attributes are related to strength, agility and physical perfection (not exactly, I know, but super-soldier plus super-alien, it's a theme). I tend to prefer more fluid and trickery-based attributes, things like shapeshifting and mastery of disguise and mindgames, so people like the Martian Manhunter or Barbara Gordon in DC and Bruce Banner, Tony Stark and Natasha Romanov in the MCU (I don't read the Avengers comics, just the X-men ones occasionally) are more my speed. I tend to prefer physical fraility or fluidity backed up by guile and experience to physical strength and daring.

There are themes about both of them that I find interesting. Cap's 'man out of time' is fascinating to me, and I love the Clark vs Kal divide that some incarnations of Superman have had. And I'm aware that they're not short on guile, either of them. But iconically, they're not the right set of themes/images to push my buttons the way other characters do, so generally they're fairly low down the totem pole of my interests, below people like J'onn and Barbara and Natasha and Bruce.

It's not their personality, is what I mean. If they work for you, they work for you. But they're not quite the right theme set to usually work for me?

[(Anonymous)]

I agree completely.

[applemagpie]

I really agree with you OP, I'm a big fan of both of them myself. I don't care if people think they're boring, I guess, but it does annoy me when people think they're boring for the wrong reasons. No, they're not perfect, or always have had it easy, or have simple personalities. And I'd say on a human level, they're actually far more relatable than characters like Bruce Wayne or Tony Stark.

[(Anonymous)]

+1 to the Cap half of this secret.

I do find Superman boring, but otoh I find most DC characters boring; the only ones I've really loved have been Batwoman and Tim Drake.

I like them both,too.

[(Anonymous)]

I also don't much like any story where they too dark.

[(Anonymous)]

Cap gets on my nerves with his self-righteous "I'm Captain America and what I think is always right" attitude. I still haven't forgiven that douche for the death of Professor X.

[(Anonymous)]

I hate it when people think Superman is boring because he isn't a "dark" character. As if being angst-ridden is a indicator of how interesting a character is. Sometimes that shit is overrated.

I'm not a big DC fan

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not a big DC fan and haven't really seen any Superman movies. I don't really like the concept of his character as he's basically perfect and his only flaw is something that you can't actually blame him for.

It's not like I don't think a writer could do something interesting with him, but I do think it would be difficult.

I'm in the fandom for Marvel movies and have only seen Captain America in the movies but, God, I absolutely adore him as a character. He's not a 'flaw heavy' character but at least he has the fact he's a bit socially awkward and selfless to the point of hurting himself. He's a bit idealized, but its pulled off well.

I also really like Iron Man as well, but for different reasons

[(Anonymous)]

I adore Cap, he's like a breath of fresh, dorky air amid all the dark and edgy superheroes that are all the rage nowadays. I also appreciate that he has flaws, struggles, and is not over powered. I don't know much about Supes unfortunately, but I never found Batman all that great in comparison to him (not much of a DC fan in general to be honest).

[nightscale]

I don't think they're boring or uninteresting but they're not the type of character I am typically drawn to(I am weak to the snarky or brooding fuckers), but I do appreciate their existence. Besides it's always nice to have a change from the typical flawed hero archetype that is very prevalent.

[tabaqui]

I only know the movie versions of them, honestly, but i love Cap. He's a soldier with this buried core of vulnerability and *goodness*. He'll do the ugly, dirty things you must do in war, but he somehow isn't terminally tainted by them.

I like Superman well enough - mostly because CHRISTOPHER REEVE, fuck - though not as much as Cap. But they're not *boring*, at all.

(I need more icons....)

[darkmanifest]

Never been big on Cap (outside of the MCU, anyway, where I adore him), but I love Supes. How interesting he is really depends on who's writing him, to me. I grew up on the DCAU version, where he was just a modest guy always trying to do the right thing and struggling with what that meant, instead of a condescending moral paragon or an aggravating blockhead or any of the other badly-handled versions I've seen in various media, so that's how I always think of him.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I'd never say they're boring because there are great stories about them or with them as guests and it really depends on who's writing them.

But they don't usually interest me like other kinds of characters. I have much more reading experience with Cap and he can be written as very bland and self-righteous. The worst for me is when they write everyone else putting him on a pedestal and doing whatever he says because he's Cap. No, scratch that, I hate the most when they make him a through-and-through government man.

Plus, sometimes they do drop the ball on the whole nationalistic shtick and as a non-American, that's hard to relate to and swallow.

[(Anonymous)]

'cause no one wants to know
the man who stands for things we've outgrown
he's too noble and too kind
we've grown older now,
and we don't need someone to care about
the innocence we've left behind~
- I Fight Dragons, "No One Likes Superman Anymore"

It's funny that it took a song about fans bashing Superman to make me appreciate him more, and if I were more a Marvel reader, I'd probably start feeling the same way about Captain America. (Realizing how much my depression really needed an optimistic hero to believe in probably also helped.)

[(Anonymous)]

I prefer Cap when he's away from SHIELD. Unless it's 60s or 70s SHIELD. And away from mutant issues. A great recent Cap was in Deadpool's The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.

[(Anonymous)]

I LOVE CAP. and I like Clark! How much depends on who's writing him...best, for me, is the DCAU. his show was good but Justice LEague and Unlimited were even better

[caerbannog]

*twiddles thumbs* Sorry OP, I still think they're boring as fuck.

But, that doesn't matter! We're two different people, different things appeal to us. If you think they're amazing and inspiring, huzzah! Keep pushing forward! Keep staying true to yourself and who cares was I, and others, think.