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⌈ Secret Post #2617 ⌋

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Not Cool AU scenarios

[(Anonymous)]

OK idk maybe I'm being the fandom police here or whatever but sometimes I see people writing AUs that just squick me the hell out and I honestly think that stuff shouldn't be applauded by fandom.

For me the final straw is AUs based on real-world genocide. I commonly see it with the Holocaust, but hell, I'd find AUs about the Trail of Tears (A is an Indian! B is a soldier marching them along! Love ensues!!) or the Armenian Genocide or any thing of that sort to be equally disgusting and gross. Especially because in 99% of the cases the authors are a) uneducated boors, and b) using it FOR THE FEELS.

If people can't find anything short of GENOCIDE to be emotionally titillating enough for their ships we have a problem here imo. If they want to make up a genocide scenario it's one thing, but I find using a specific people's death in this way to just be beyond the pale. Especially since, fascinatingly, the people writing these AUs are never from the peoples who were actually murdered....

So, any AUs you just can't tolerate?

Re: Not Cool AU scenarios

[(Anonymous)]

IA, and you hit the nail on the head for me. I saw a Thorki fic set in a concentration camp once and just...no. NONONO. Do not take the systemic execution of entire groups of people and use it to fill your spankbank. Please do not do that.

Re: Not Cool AU scenarios

[greenvelvetcake]

Are... are genocide AUs actual things that happen often? The fuck?

Re: Not Cool AU scenarios

[(Anonymous)]

Perfect icon for this comment.

Re: Not Cool AU scenarios

[(Anonymous)]

OP anon

Sadly, I have seen way too many of them.

:D

[insanenoodlyguy]

hehehehheheh



(I'm told I do a good insane cakcle. Should I vocaroo it for you?)

Re: :D

[anonymouslyyours]

I can't tell what the reaction I had to that manip was... It was visceral and kind of squiggly in my chest. It made me think of that time I hid my nametag from that skinhead with Nazi tattoos just in case he recognized it as a Jewish name but it also made me giggly with indignation?

I don't think I liked it.

Re: Not Cool AU scenarios

[(Anonymous)]

I've been seeing a few Holocaust AUs and I just say nope nope nope not okay to those. Like, the summary full out says "Holocaust AU!" like it's just some kind of fun angst machine for their characters.

Pretty much my personal nope line is real life tragedies. I understand that some people use fic writing to deal with their trauma, but for me it's just a line and can't tolerate it.

Re: Not Cool AU scenarios

[(Anonymous)]

Genocide AU is a thing? What fandoms do this? O___o I

I've seen WWII AUs but they weren't pertaining to genocide; they were mainly focused on soldiers on the front lines.

Re: Not Cool AU scenarios

[(Anonymous)]

Another voice chiming in for Holocaust AUs here. I also can never read prostitution or BDSM World AUs (everyone everywhere is either a dom or a sub, the end). My dislike of prostitution AUs is more of a personal preference and less of a value judgement, but BDSM World AUs make me feel sick and unpleasant. It isn't just the lack of choice or freedom there, it's about the reflection on the way the author thinks. I know every fic does this to some extent, and I also know there are worse fics out there, but no other trope makes me so uncomfortably aware of the author. I don't know why.

Re: Not Cool AU scenarios

[(Anonymous)]

I, too, hate BDSM World AUs, and their misbegotten child, the Alpha/Beta/Omega AU. They're incredibly disturbing to me in the way that they reflect traditional, mistaken gender ideas, and then turn those UP TO ELEVEN for, apparently, the HOTNESS (???). I do not want to get into the head of someone that wants to create a world where half the people are ~naturally submissive~ and need a ~strong hand~, where they're treated like property and ugh, just thinking about it makes me feel sick.

Re: Not Cool AU scenarios

[(Anonymous)]

Urgh, yeah, BDSM world AUs are a definite no-no. I'm with you, they also make me feel kind of ill.

And so glad I've never seen a Holocaust AU

Re: Not Cool AU scenarios

[tabaqui]

This, yes. The whole - 'by the age of six, you've been tested and you are a sub! Whoo hoo!!' thing in so many of those fics makes me sick to my stomach, and sadly, while the A/B/O thing could be interesting, it pretty much always goes the way of exploitation, dehumanization, and sometimes even torture-porn. Just...cannot.

Re: Not Cool AU scenarios

[(Anonymous)]

Is it really that common with A/B/O? I mean, I've read a fair amount of it [usually because it's not tagged, granted -_-;;],but it's almost always been set up to where the Omega had the right and ability to say "no, not interested". The few that didn't had more to do with the time period they were set in [basically, they were arranged marriages that neither person had a say in] than anything else from what I could tell.

I'm not trying to be snarky, and I apologize if that's how it comes off, I just haven't really seen any that's the way you described? [I've probably just been lucky, but yeah. ^^;;]

Re: Not Cool AU scenarios

[(Anonymous)]

Totally agree with you - as I think most sane people also do.

*Nostalgically reminisces about the J2-Bigbang-set-in-the-afermath-of-the-Haitian-earthquake-that-also-managed-to-be-racist wank*

Re: Not Cool AU scenarios

[(Anonymous)]

I once heard about, though I never saw personally, a Harry Potter fic from around the turn of the century that concerned itself with Remus Lupin's wanderings during the period after the Marauders era and before the books, all about him wandering around being pretty and angsty and gay and so on.

It apparently included a stretch where he worked as a flight attendant under the name Gaetan Dugas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ga%C3%ABtan_Dugas).

That kinda pushes my crazybuttons, I have to admit. Can anyone confirm that this was real?

Re: Not Cool AU scenarios

[(Anonymous)]

A quick search of Google says it is.

For the morbidly curious: http://www.kira-kira.net/fanfiction/2003/the-most-ridiculous-first-name-ive-ever-heard/

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Dang, anon, your Google-fu is stronger than mine. Thanks... I think. :)

Re: Not Cool AU scenarios

[(Anonymous)]

Fandom police? Hell, that should be a given. Genocide AUs fall squarely into "your kink is not my kink, and thank fucking Christ for that."

Can I ask what fandoms you've seen these for?

Re: Not Cool AU scenarios

[(Anonymous)]

I'm actually okay with Holocaust AU. I'm actually ok with any AU, provided the writer does their due diligence and doesn't milk the setting for cheap drama. Just setting something in the time period can be good. It can also be terrible in the hands of a bad writer.

If you want to get technical about it, Captain America is a canon WWII AU which includes Nazis as a backdrop, for punching heroically in the face and stuff. But it doesn't use the setting for cheap angst or drama.

If it fits the characters and the plot of the fic, or the fic actually skillfully explores how the characters would react to such a situation or setting, then AU your heart out, I don't care. It's only when everything's shoehorned in that it's awful.

Re: Not Cool AU scenarios

[(Anonymous)]

As another anon upthread I'd like to clarify my answer, that I don't think people shouldn't be *allowed* to write Holocaust AUs or anything, just that I sure as hell won't be reading it.

I actually am pretty firm that there are no "off limits" for writing and art.

Re: Not Cool AU scenarios

[(Anonymous)]

I like well done historical AUs because it forces the author or characters to react or consider events. It's another way of exploring history and things that happened. Like big superheroes. How do you fight a thing that's systemic? There's no one person at fault. Unless you want to kill the whole country. Superheroes are out of their depth in the world of global politics. EXPLORE THAT, that's interesting. This wasn't a sueprvillain this was people fucking people over, you can't power your way through this. So now what?

Using something to explore how characters are in it makes sense and can be done well.

Re: Not Cool AU scenarios

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, but WWII is one thing, and specifically going out of your way to make a character Jewish and another one a Nazi so they can get it on is a bit of a different story.

I have never seen a, for example, Holocaust AU that was respectfully done. Never.

Also would your answer be the same about say, Cherokees and the Trail of Tears?

Re: Not Cool AU scenarios

[blunderbuss]

I didn't see it myself, but it's a 'thing' in the Jean/Marco pairing to come up with a million silly AUs and one of them involved 9/11. I never saw it because it was taken down after someone complained, but afterwards fangirls got all huffy about it because 'some killjoy' thinks that people can't make sad or violent fanfics!

No, you stupid fucks, it just means you cannot use a real-life tragedy as window-dressing for two pretty anime boys to kiss or die tragically or what the fuck ever. If you MUST involve a real-life tragedy then you need to treat it with the respect it deserves.

I haven't seen a holocaust/genocide AU yet but I fear it's only a matter of time.

Re: Not Cool AU scenarios

[(Anonymous)]

oh wow lucky you, that shit is all over Ereri and Eruri and nobody gives a fuck about offensiveness

though 9/11? yeah, eww, that's pretty awful too. Lucky it got took down, that's more than I can say for the Ereri/Eruri side of fandom...