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⌈ Secret Post #2646 ⌋

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[Love so Life]

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i thought this would make a relevant topic considering what happened in a certain finale recently

so here are some questions for you guys:

what character death do you think was unnecessary? which one do you think really added depth to the work?
what work of fiction kills its characters off too easily? which one should stop bringing them back?
what's worse, a character you love dying or a character you hate coming back to life?
what characters do you think need to die once and for all? (*cough*winchesters*cough*)

what's worse, a character you love dying or a character you hate coming back to life?

Typically, a character I hate coming back. Because even if I hate that a character I love dies, I can usually still appreciate the story they had and what their death may mean for the rest of the show.

If a character I hate comes back, I'm just stuck with a character I hate.

I don't think Allison's death served any kind of purpose plot-wise. Crystal Reed wanted to leave the show with no possibility of coming back. I respect that decision but am still annoyed when so many other people (Jackson, Gerard, Deucalion) get to walk away.

Erica and Boyd's deaths also barely served a purpose. Sure, lets further shit on Derek Hale and make him feel guilty and alone again :/

Peter Hale needs to die and stay dead. They haven't really done anything with his storyline and his shtick has gotten old.

Not happy that Kate Argent is back at all. Not looking forward to that storyline because it's yet another way to beat Derek down and I don't need or want to see him angst even more. The guy deserves a goddamn break.

Why the hell would they even bring Kate back? Her storyline was a rarity in TW: it was properly concluded and in a way that made sense. So of course they feel a need to shit all over it by making her a were-smurfette.

DA
Ugh and I was reading an interview with Jeff Davis and he was all excited about Kate coming back since he's apparently been planning this since he "killed" her. He also said that we'd be surprised about who she teams up with, or something along those lines, which I'm pretty sure means Derek and her are gonna have to work together at some point which I just find not cool at all.

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Agreed with all of these.

And man I find Peter entertaining to some degree but he really has no purpose other than to snark and for some reason have people trust him? Like what? /forever bitter that the writers seem to have forgotten that PETER KILLED LAURA WHY DOES DEREK EVEN TOLERATE HIS ASS BEING AROUND? REALLY? /and how can Lydia even want to be in the same room as him /EVER

I liked Kate a lot as a villain but her arc was done in season 1 and I'm side-eyeing the whole 'I've been planning this since I killed her' BS because I really fucking doubt that, I've seen your writing Jeff Davis, I'm pretty convinced you've been making this shit up as you go since the end of season 1.

(I am also super worried that Derek's 'new' love interest is actually going to be Kate and if that happens I am going to be done with the show, completely. The last thing I am ever going to want to see is a victim get back together with their tormenter and it be played as completely fine and romantic instead of how unbelievably fucked up it really is.)

I'm side-eyeing the whole 'I've been planning this since I killed her' BS because I really fucking doubt that, I've seen your writing Jeff Davis, I'm pretty convinced you've been making this shit up as you go since the end of season 1.

Too fucking true.

I used to like Peter but they keep him around when no one likes him or has a reason to trust him. There's no character growth and I couldn't agree more about how Lydia treats him. It's like nothing happened between them :/

Right, he has things planned in advance. I'm disliking him more and more.

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I'm really starting to wonder why Reed wanted to burn her bridges so absolutely when nobody else who left the show seemed to want to. Not to suggest anything skeevy pushed her to it, I have no idea of the circumstances, but it's a little odd for someone to want to void all possibility of a future paycheck just because.

Her official story is that she's in her late 20s, still playing a teenager and she wanted to try something else. She claims that she took Allison's story as far as she could (which is bs, imo). I think she wanted Allison to be killed off so that fans wouldn't annoy her about returning to the show. But who knows if that's the whole truth.

what character death do you think was unnecessary?

Sherlock Holmes in The Final Problem. I give ACD all props for wanting to be done with the guy, but really, it wasn't necessary at all. His Last Bow finished things off quite roundly, and could have easily been produced instead.

which one do you think really added depth to the work?

Sherlock Holmes. I.e., his reappearance/resurrection in The Adventure of the Empty House would not have happened if not for The Final Problem, so I shouldn't complain, right?

what work of fiction kills its characters off too easily?

*eyes everything made by Joss Whedon ever* Only one?

which one should stop bringing them back?

BBC Sherlock.

what's worse, a character you love dying or a character you hate coming back to life?

Door number 2. See also: BBC Sherlock.

what characters do you think need to die once and for all?

Jim Moriarty. Also BBC Sherlock.

75% of all the deaths on Supernatura are unnecessary.

They also bring back characters too often.

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1. Tom the Builder in 'Pillars of the Earth' didn't need to die. I did however, think Sirius Black's demise was well done and heart breaking.

2. A Song of Ice and Fire. Duh. Lost handled some character deaths/reappearances spectacularly poorly.

3. A character I hate coming back. Let them rot in fictional hell!

4. Skye, from Agents of Shield. Auslag, from Vikings.

Boy, do I agree on Skye. I really wanted to like that show, and I just can't, not with her there. Even Coulson being there can't save the show from Skye. :P

1a) DC trying to kill off Stephanie Brown (not to mention Donna Troy over and over and Jade and Ice among SO MANY OTHERS) is really fucking shitty and drives me nuts and they've been doing this kind of shit for years. Stephanie Brown is my fucking favourite superheroine next to Barbara Gordon and "War Games" was a really good story screwed up by a colossally bad ending.

1b) Also, I was hoping Peter Parker would FUCKING STAY DEAD FOREVER FUCK but apparently Marvel doesn't have the balls and they're bringing him back, thereby killing any chance they might have had in getting me to read Spiderman.

2a) Comic books.

2b) See above.

3) Characters I hate coming back -- see Peter Parker. But that's a double-edged sword; death tends to be cheap in a lot of the media I consume and I can usually count on a good character coming back (unless it's a woman, naturally) but they also bring back shitty characters too.

4) PETER. FUCKING. PARKER.

yeah i'm super buttmad about superior spiderman ending, and i don't even read it, i just thought the concept was brilliant

1) Ianto and Steven in Torchwood: Children of Earth. Their deaths didn't seem to serve any narrative purpose other than to demonstrate how GRIMDARK the show is and how much Jack is suffering. Steven's death had slightly more narrative purpose than Ianto's, I'll give it that much, but I maintain that making the sacrificial victim specifically Jack's grandson was aimed at tearing Jack down. It's like the numerous, numerous ways Jack has died on the show. By that point, it was more for shock effect - a lazy cop-out - than good storytelling.

2) Naruto. Oh god, stop killing people just to bring them back, seriously. At this point I don't even care when a character I like dies, because I suspect they'll be back before long. (And if they aren't, I can very easily imagine canonical ways they could be brought back, so it still doesn't seem permanent to me.)
Also, Hawaii Five-0. I stopped watching a while back, but I really didn't like the way they brought back Steve's mother. Also, can I say Wo Fat? He doesn't die, but the way he keeps escaping just seems cheap at this point. Even if he died, I wouldn't trust he really did die!

3) Character I hate coming back to life. I only hate characters I love dying if it serves no narrative purpose *coughIantocough*

4) ... Uchiha Sasuke. But it's never going to happen. Also, Jim Moriarty.

People always focus on Ianto's death, forgetting that everyone else has died to. What I really loved about that was that the show started with Gwen and Jack and the show ended with Gwen and Jack. And at that point I felt like they had to go all or nothing. They had already killed off the rest of the team I think it would have felt cheap or just not fit if they let Ianto live and everyone else died.

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It's funny, but I think Kate's death on NCIS was really unnecessary but also really added depth to the work because it was so well-done.

SPN kills too easily and brings back too easily. Stop that shit.

Charater I hate coming back is worse, bc if I love them and they die, well, sometimes it's a great death scene and I can always have them alive in fic, whereas if a char I hate comes back to life I'm stuck with them on the show.

Characters that need to die once and for all...Winchesters, yeah. THE FUCKING JOKER, come on u guys, I realize iconic nemesis blah blah blah but he's lost all menace by now and I just roll my eyes when I see him.

ordinarily i'd agree with you but darkseid (just as an example) had lost all menace for a long time and then final crisis happened

likewise joker was at his absolute scariest in a long time in death of the family

Jury's still out for me on whether Beverly Katz's death was unnecessary.

As for depth... I just started catching up again on Person Of Interest, and Carter's death was surprisingly well done. I feel like her character arc ended really well, and it wasn't just written of like it was nothing. I went in expecting to rage, but I was pleasantly surprised.

Supernatural kills its characters off too easy, AND it should stop bringing them back. (I am still angry that Jo & Ellen got killed off, I wish we'd seen more of them riding around together hunting monsters as a mother-daughter team.)

Agreed with you on the Winchesters. Dean and Sam NEED TO DIE ALREADY. I can see why Death is so snarky all the time, because he's trying to do his damn job and people keep popping up again.

The SPN death that really pissed me off was Bela. I actually really disliked her but it drove me crazy that they brought her in just to kill her after like one season. And she was actually interesting in her last episode.

I don't even like Once Upon A Time but my partner does, so I'm always in the same room when it's on. So I can say unequivocably that this show handles character death exactly the wrong way. Not only does it kill people off pointlessly, it constantly invalidates any depth or impact of the major character deaths by bringing them back an episode later. It's like they can't decide if they want to be grimdark Lost with senseless death or fluffy Disney world where nobody dies.

As a diehard fan of the show ... I kind of agree with this? Some of the deaths were good and had impact, but when I'm thinking idly back there's only one death scene in the whole three seasons that still brings the tears in a good way, and it was both early on and permanent. It's the only death in the show that I've still not gotten over.

Although there was a death in S2 that was impressive and wrenching, and all the more so for being the death of an unapologetic, awesome villain. Again, said death was permanent (so far).

Jury's still out on the most recent death. The death itself kind of annoys me, and my fears for what it means for one character arc definitely annoy me, but the two main living characters who are grieving are breaking my heart right now, and the death does add interesting things to their arcs. Or, okay, one of their arcs. The implications for the other one are just making me nervous.

OUaT in general though has a definite problem with setting up crises and then not following through or else resolving them too quickly. They'll set up a horrible situation for seven episodes, and then resolve it five minutes into the episode after the cliffhanger. They just basically don't know how to pace things to maintain tension (after S1, at least). I tend to think the character deaths are only a facet of that larger problem?

From the first FMA movie, the one set in WWII: Alphonse Heiderich. Man, do I still feel sore about that.

Way to cheapen the story by unnecesary death, in my opinion.

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